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Question: What should i know as a developer to build on cardano so that's a question we're going to answer i'm not going to do it here i've answered this question four or five times in prior ima amas and interviews but um these are the things when you you really think around marketing you say like how do we actually answer this because he's asking something but then there's a lot that is in this question like as a developer to build on cardano so what do we mean by developer and what do we mean by build on cardano okay and so you really have to drill into that you have to create personas there's a world of difference between the 16 year old kit that just learned about javascript and wrote his first website to the 45 year old who's writing control software for a plain autopilot okay huge huge error between these two people but they're both developers and we see build on cardano are you saying okay i'm gonna issue a token charles coin and you know trade it and it'll just be a fun little qt project or am i connecting my ticket management system for ticketmaster to cardano huge differences between these two things but good marketing should be able to dissect that and create a journey so that people in different personas can actually go through and get reasonable answers to these types of things and then you will happen is that you'll have all these people say well what about this like for example whenever you choose a by definition you aren't choosing b so when you say we're going to go functional that means you're not imperative okay or you're going to have a harder time with that so if somebody doesn't buy that functional is the approach they're just going to ignore that you're even doing that and they'll go and say well why don't you have like javascript why don't you have like python python is my favorite language well you should have python support okay so you have to be very careful about how you answer these things you have to discuss trade-offs market dynamics to really well define your developer you have to set up an asset strategy and then he says what should you know well okay you know we could try and say learn some haskell learn some functional programming techniques but 95 percent of your application may be non-plutus it may be running off chain on a server in which case maybe being a node guy is a lot more sensical and you're going to outsource all of the cardano development to a third party because you don't want to actually handle that small small small shim of a smart contract that's running on the system on the other hand you might have a very heavy decentralized application and you're running the whole thing on cardano which gets your hardcore pluto's programmer see so different skill sets so this is a cool question the answer when we say when marketing this is what we mean by answering questions like this in ways that are meaningful and useful um this is a cool one charles thoughts on the file coin project led by one bennett which is launching very soon juan's done ipfs and many other things excited about these types of things uh decentralized infrastructure is universally ubiquitous and useful and everything he's done is open source so if we find some good ideas in it we will definitely use those ideas and it is so cool that we live in an ecosystem that does that for us how did you meet ben gortzel uh ben and i met through uh mahela who's a friend of mine uh she's a a scientist and she specializes in uh complex complex theory and systems and these things and she's written all these um amazing papers on uh on the topic and she's friends with ben and she's friends with lots of other people uh and uh she said hey would you like to meet him i said sure and i turned out he was already a really big fan of cardano so we talked to ben a few times over google hangouts and i said ben you know i'm going to wyoming you want to come with he said sure so he flew from seattle over to wyoming it was quite fortuitous that he was still in the united states so he could actually come and we hit it off the guy got his phd in math at 21 super bright guy super super bright guy very deep in many different things and we talked about everything from curry howard correspondences to automated theorem provers to the nature of consciousness and you know and things like agi obviously that's his domain uh and it was just really fun i talked to him for over six hours of various technical concepts and then we did a 90-minute interview i interviewed him and we talked a lot about his project singularitynet and opencog and uh cardano and we'll release that probably this upcoming week um but this is an example of the kinds of people that you want around for your launch applications and your platform uh because they know who they are and they're not adopting crypto cuz crypto there's a very specific thing it's solving for them but they're their own people they have their own dreams like ben he really really wants to create an artificial general intelligence uh and he thinks he knows how to do it with open cog and there's some good evidence behind that so he's just going to go do that and he has all these beautiful projects like singularitynet and so forth which assist him in that path to achieve that but at the end of the day whether we exist or not he's going to keep doing that so our job is to get out of the way and help him get these types of things done a little bit better for the things he wants to solve and as long as you have partnerships like that then you have a real platform it's something that's there to stay what role will david likes crypto have in iohk he is going to make videos so uh he's going to help us with that product marketing and what david does really well is he makes concise easy to understand beautiful content so what we're doing is we're just going to go ahead and give him uh all the resources he needs to do more of what he's already doing and better and we're going to have him be a pivotal component of the product marketing strategy so those explainer videos on our boris and explainer videos on extended utxo david's going to go do that alongside others and we're going to get them out there and they're going to be amazing and then we're going to get not just content like he already has but more content and more diverse content and more frequent content because there's now resources behind what he does my philosophy is find the best people and just get out of their way and give them what they need to go and do amazing things uh yes do you think gaming in cardona will be viable as soon as gogan ships so that's a very interesting question and it absolutely depends on what you mean by uh gaming uh jean franco diaz uh so if you mean by gaming gambling i mean that's always possible if you mean by gaming like video games and integrating video games into cardano like cryptokitties i think both of them have their merits and value to the ecosystem and actually what gets me most excited is the latter i would love to see super creative video games on cardano as many of you know i actually have my own game studio um we haven't created anything yet but i've been buying ip and one of these days i'll turn it on and every game we build will have a blockchain component to it and every game i build i'll deploy that blockchain component on cardona so uh there's already things like next generation digital rights management um having unique items in the game that are connected to tokens uh so you can do that preserving your save state on a blockchain there's there's a lot of things to think about there and actually ben and i ben gortzel we actually talked about this a lot and uh my cto ramon uh he got a phd in computer science but his dissertation was in gaming our cto actually came up with pokemon go ten years before pokemon go existed uh so uh so we have a lot of people that are closet gamers or love game mechanics and these types of things and i see enormous value to it and it's actually not hard with what we've constructed to put some of those game components on cardano as soon as gogan ships and then over time things could be scaled up it would be super cool to have a partnership with some open source gaming frameworks um you know like babylon js or these types of things uh or perhaps even commercial frameworks like unity for example and actually have a cryptocurrency back end for it so if a game developer wants to do that that's something that can be pushed through and these are partnerships we're going to try to pursue in 2021 and our commercial team is chomping at the bit for these types of plays um [Music] mm-hmm do you think shelly is the hardest development phrase for cardano yeah shelley was absolutely brutal in so many ways and we will never have to go through that again i'd like to be on lexus podcast too uh as i say rogan after gogan lex after gogan 2. lot to talk about there but he's a great guy went to direct soul got a phd and i think artificial intelligence or some electrical engineering way of doing it his dad's a prominent physicist and uh he's now at mit and he's just a really bright dude and he has a great interviews he goes with people i really enjoyed the one with sheldon solomon and i started developing an affinity for ernest becker as a result of that vitalik was on lex's show i know vitalik's everywhere everybody loves that kid he's special how's john o'connor i'm not by the way guys just purposely picking connor's questions but they are good questions uh john's doing quite well all right pharah i'm gonna give you one shot ask me a question whatever it is i'll answer your question this is a fun one cardona was a paycheck for your company why the loyalty because my company's a mission oriented company and we need infrastructure to realize that mission our mission is to build uh the foundations so that people can get economic identity the people who don't have it so i need a platform to do that we created cardano for that reason and now it's starting to be realized you see prism with identity you see the supply chain stuff we're doing you see the voting things we're doing with voltaire you notice that these multi assets can be just as well securities as they don't have to be when we have the d5 and suddenly you have banking services and insurance and exchanges and these types of things so the point is that as long as this platform is fertile we can wake up and have a billion users and it maintains the principles and integrity that we'd like a system like that to have so i'm not loyal to platforms i'm loyal to concepts and ideas and missions and cardano was built hand in glove to achieve that end that's why we're here what does duncan do for fun he's actually an actor part-time and he's played a certain cardinal in a certain play smart guy everybody's really special i want you to answer glenn's questions wait which one's glenn which question did i miss can you repost glenn's question i don't want to go scroll through the whole thing which particular question why haskell and not o'camel uh because we were more on the british side than the french side both of them would have been a suitable choice uh and they're both great ecosystems i just happen to prefer haskell a little bit more a big fan of lazy evaluation and these things and also the people who created haskell happen to work for me like phil wadler for example so we're a little stronger in that ecosystem if i spoke french and i went to school in paris almost certainly we would have written it no camel glen ortiz charles given the increase in u.s national debt and the potential for the future weaker economy can we make sure that non-algorithmic stable coin on cardano is based on a basket of currencies so that's called a meta-stable token and we are looking at that there are projects like saga for example that have studied that as well my preference would be to create a meta-stable token where you take stable coins that are based on fiat currencies build a basket of them and then create an asset that's synthetic to that so you don't have the custodial risk or otherwise we're in a situation where we're back we actually have to take us dollars or euros or yen and put them in a bank account and hold them like the tethered people do and that's just not a game i like playing but if the blockchain is the custodian for an existing stable coin that's relatively stable then it's just a matter of properly constructing the ballot for the metastable token what gets really exciting is when you can remove the bank entirely and that's the cbdc concept and so we've been examining that as well and i i really like the idea of tethering cbdc with ubi so in several countries we are pitching the concept that let us go build a stable coin rebuild your central bank infrastructure make it intrinsically digital and create you a nice ramp for offline transactions and then every time a transaction fee occurs in the system because you are the payment rails it goes into a treasury and that treasury is universal basic income for your people so it's a real cool thing to sell for smaller economies and it could be quite competitive to tether and these other things so we are looking into these things and we've made some bids that was version one and the us government got very upset about that and i think version two if it survives will just be backed by the us dollar and i think this is another example of a person who thinks i stole the channel going back to that rant the this question should be better asked to vitalik has any of charles's vision worked its way into ethereum at some point he'll have to throw on the towel and say yes no none of his vision worked or his its way into our system it's quite the opposite cardano is a different game entirely it's your system soon to be bitcoin through taproot and what they've done they're gradually extending their accounting model and capabilities that's a pretty big one charles do you know jed yes and david missouris and the rest of the gang no problems with stellar these guys we get along you expand on how the ubi system would work so ubi works really well when you have sovereign wealth funds because it's a dividend distribution to the people of the country and it's almost like a shareholder model so norway could do this very comfortably this gargantuan sovereign wealth fund as almost two trillion dollars the norwegians have more money than saudi arabia many people don't know that so it's very possible that norway could wake up and say hey you know what we're just going to start paying dividends quarterly out of the sovereign wealth fund to our people um this is not redistribution this was good fiscal policy so the government got rich doing something very smart and now they're sharing the wealth that they've accumulated with their people so a sovereign wealth fund with a cbdc is an example of that good fiscal policy creates a product that's competitive on a global market and effectively the use of this outside of the country produces almost almost like direct foreign investment but it's pure profit and that profit goes into a sovereign wealth fund and then every single person in the country who's a citizen of that country would get dividends from that sovereign wealth fund as a condition of citizenship so it encourages the citizens to say our government should not run deficits but rather be running surpluses because we get paid if it runs a surplus it makes good fiscal policy so there you go um so that's what i think and that'll be fun maybe somebody will take me up on it who knows do we have more of this yeah we do charles how is legends of valor coming along terrible um i haven't had time to work on it at all in the last few weeks i've been incredibly busy with cardano and other things as i said before legends of valor is in the bottom of the stack and so um if anything on cardano or other projects comes up it any free time i have for love goes away so that's the way it is but that's the way it should be because there are no customers for legends of valor there haven't been since 1992 where there are many people who care a lot about cardano and so cardano takes priority have you ever read now some talibs books yes anti-fragile and the other one is black swan which he's famous for he's an interesting author you hyped about dune yes danny villeneuve is my favorite director and dunes one of my favorite sci-fi's so that's like the peanut butter in your jelly man i am very excited about it um this is a good one any updates on the cardona wikipedia page i'll let you know no you know here's how up it is i own a video game legends of valor i bought the ip for it last year actually this year i was negotiating for a year and a half for that and it has a wikipedia page i don't know how legends of valor has a wikipedia page but it does no one has meaningfully played this game since 1992 okay 27 years ago or something like that 20 28 years ago um and when i bought it people updated the wikipedia page to announce that i i acquired it that is notable but cardano a three billion dollar ecosystem with some of the top computer scientists in the world with almost 100 academic papers a million lines of code we have been mentioned by the us house of representatives by the european union parliament heads of state hundreds of articles throughout the years wall street journal all this stuff uh obviously were not novel the editors of wikipedia say that we are not novel enough to deserve an article but legends of valor a game i own is that no one has played in 28 years and the citations there are credible citations but bloomberg is not a credible citation for cardana you tell me how that's not biased and who's responsible for this one man david gerard he's an editor for wikipedia who wrote a book about how all blockchains are scams and has gone on record repeatedly saying blockchains are all scams and he gets to decide whether we're noteworthy and credible to get an article or not that's where we're at this is wikipedia it's uh i've never experienced something so blatantly um kafka-esque and disgusting yet people seem to think it's a credible resource it is not and every day this goes on it diminishes their credibility and the larger we get the more comical it gets and at some point you know people are just going to build a replacement for it i'll probably be the first to do it and jimmy has no one to blame but himself um he's showing our edge bud wait wait i missed that showing my age uh how's the massey ferguson i already answered that come on guys give me some good questions here space vikings ha that was blizzard entertainment actually i think it was um the first game that they made when they were like synaptic ideas or something was before they were called blizzard entertainment that is that's a blast from the past i remember space vikings i'm surprised that anybody hears that uh that old yeah it was a great game silicon and synapse that was it that was it the lost vikings and actually they put in um star craft ii wings of liberty an arcade game for the lost vikings uh exactly thank you i encourage you guys to go google in fact if you look at the search trends the first time in over 20 years people have actually started searching that game um but yes there's a wikipedia page it blows your mind right going on two hours bub yeah i got no life do this for you guys i have actually downloaded this book three body problem i'm looking forward to it i have not read it yet i haven't had the time so trevor do you have a specific question for me you have to remember that they just come in and whatever is there is there or also i have to search for the whole thing and stop for 20 or 30 seconds if i had a moderator then they would just pre-ask questions but trevor please do ask a question could neil stephenson be satoshi i don't know sure would that make your life better if he was any thoughts on multi-party computations specifically how close are we to seeing widespread support for our threshold signatures you need a lot of good underlying crypto to do that that's why the propagation of things like schnorr cigs bls this stuff is uh is good uh there's tons of npc protocols that are meaningful and useful and it's just uh you know you adopt them on a case-by-case basis thoughts on potential life on venus and its implications to the fermi paradox that's a fun one so venus is a really cool planet actually at one time it probably looked a lot like earth it's relatively the same size and it's just too close to the sun and so it's become the closest thing humanity has ever discovered to hell it's like 900 degrees on the surface they have giant clouds of acid it's not really a good place however recently certain chemicals have been discovered on venus that are very difficult to explain outside of a biological metabolism and so there's some speculation that life could potentially exist on venus so perhaps billions of years ago human-like life or some form of civilization could have materialized in venus because at that time period conditions would have perhaps been more like earth but now that's no longer the case so anyway it's cool to talk about and think about and probes were always flying around studying these things and the russians were the most interested in venus they even did several uh missions to venus and there was a lot of hypotheses about perhaps people could live in the atmosphere of venus they can't live on the surface but live in the atmosphere i hope that these recent chemicals that have been discovered would be a good impulse input into a decision process to send more probes to venus now as for the implications of fermi paradox for those of you who don't know it's this kind of idea that we should see lots of life in the universe and the fact that we don't is an indication that there's some event that will occur that's relatively universal throughout all life and uh when uh they get to that event it tends to extinct the entire species uh so for example maybe the event of nuclear weapons or the event of a.i or whatever and that's why we don't see more life so i don't think life on venus has any uh impact or the discovery of chemicals on venus that could be markers for biological life would have an implication of fermi paradox necessarily it's possible if your system is built in the right way that you don't have the evolutionary pressures that would ever form uh multicellular creatures so you can get to the single cellular state but you can't get the complex life forms and that that jump that evolutionary jump there's no pressure to achieve that you know it's definitely possible there's no guarantee of one-way evolution and more complex forms can get extinct at any time yes they matter enough to distribute millions of dollars if you're talking about cardano votes if you talk about political votes no your vote doesn't matter in the shop been that way for three weeks nope serious answer you got beef with f2 no not at all hello from canada charles well hello from the united states chris [Music] yeah that's what i assumed they don't matter i do not change my oil for the lamborghini never do that that is a very refined delicate piece of machinery and lots of things can go wrong lol can we all agree that charles needs to get some sleep i'm feeling fine i feel great my lungs are filled with smoke though that's the only problem woke up this morning all this black from all of the ash in the air from uh the wyoming fires it's just sad and here in colorado we've had fires and i went to tahoe and there was fires in california it's just nasty artwork over your right shoulder painting one painting two and painting three uh hawaii yeah that was uh by the year 2035. isn't it great when the government tells us how the market's going to work what you are and are not allowed to do java um i just haven't cut the hair that's the problem yes actually i have a great air filter an iq air filter it's a hepa filter medical grade they put them in hospitals it even has a carbon filter as well for volatile chemicals right next to the bed really helps the problem is i was in wyoming in a holiday inn express and unfortunately i couldn't bring that giant air filter with me why java or c sharp i'm actually going to be making this decision when i go to code camp i would do neither i would do javascript or python do not do java or c sharp if you can avoid it you have to pick java is a bigger ecosystem and there are all these beautiful languages like julia and scala and so forth which are incredibly good and really nice to use and they are in the java ecosystem so i would far more be in the java ecosystem c sharp is a better language and net and clr much better framework the only reason why it's not larger is that microsoft didn't open source it for a large part of its life had they done that java would have died it'd be gone and been absorbed into the clr but i'd recommend java if you have to pick but i'd say neither the javascript is significantly better to start with it's just a better ecosystem charles why did you say learn typescript right after learning javascript because typescript is basically uh like better javascript it's javascript with types and it basically allows you to write far more maintainable and structured programs than just native javascript programs some of the recent flavors of javascript especially ecmascript 6 and beyond reduced the need for typescript for maintainability but there's still a lot of cool things in the typescript ecosystem that are are quite useful and typescript was not an academic language it was created by microsoft because they had this problem that they were reporting all of their office infrastructure and other things into the web and they needed to have a javascript framework to work with it and javascript just wasn't getting the job done google tried to do this with first taking java and compiling it to javascript and then when that failed they moved over to a new language they called dart and microsoft created a competing language called typescript the difference between dart and typescript is that dart is an entirely new language and it compiles to javascript whereas typescript is a superset of javascript so it looks syntactically very similar so if you're our javascript developer it's much easier to just go to typescript and you get guaranteed compatibility there in dart it's a different language entirely i actually like dart i think it's phenomenal and just didn't get any traction or adoption and there's a lot of phases in these transpiled languages in the javascript world there was coffee script uh and that was really popular for a long time and i thought there was a lot of cool things in coffeescript it was like ruby had sex it was javascript at one night standing in a dark hotel room and you know you know nine months later you have coffee script and yeah you know it's a frankenstein child we're just gonna have to make it work uh and then you had more academic projects that came in like saying hey let's start with a proper programming language like java and then get it into javascript but it's a it's much better i think just to go with javascript move into typescript and those two things will get you where you need to go and then there's all these frameworks like react and angular and so forth you have to learn a testing framework too like selenium you know so there's lots of things to learn there book recommendation of the month i actually have a book to recommend and the name escapes me so i will tweet it at the back end of this because i just got the book it's on synesthesia i like go now you're not alone a lot of people like go i've never been a fan myself but a lot of people like it ps5 or xbox xbox this was actually done there was a movie where chuck norris fought bruce lee i think it was enter the dragon i'll have to look it up but chuck norris would kick bruce lee's ass because he has all the skill when he's twice his size [Music] kraken or avati i love caitlyn long and i think she's an amazing person but i won't pick a side on this one both kraken and avanti are great organizations and they're both safe to use what do you think of fabric i got some right here see yeah it's great have it change the human race i watched the 1997 mac world with bill gates after you mentioned in the interview it was hilarious yes giant bill gates tiny steve jobs but it shows you guys what good ceos do for their companies this doesn't matter because once you get to the same skill set you have the law of diminishing returns you know so if you have unless some guy who's like a really good black belt and then he trains another person for 10 years and that other person learns quickly that person who has 10 years of training has a real good shot at beating that other person who's been training for 30 years or 40 years because you're just maintaining skills at a certain point or exploring new things at a certain point but remember if you have an age advantage on someone yeah and also norris was trained in many forms these form was very flashy but it wasn't particularly appealing for fighting don't get me started on this the bruce lee's thing i'm not even going to go down that road i'm going to save that for joe rogan um yeah this was another fun one bill gates got a pie in the face many of you you kids are too young to remember this it happened in the late 1990s in europe so if you google bill gates pie and face a person was just waiting bill gates was entering a building and somebody went by in face and he had pile over his face yeah yeah yes bruce lee is a legend that's true so shame he didn't live longer his chair jumping skills are on point yeah bill gates could jump over a chair like a chair like mine he could jump over it and he would actually show this off as a skill and many many interviews he would do let's see here joe would grill you yeah yeah that's how you get joe really fired up involved you gotta troll him a little bit that's gonna be a it's gonna be a really fun uh really fun interview have you heard from the molten tar monster dude no no no no after shelley and we're really growing and things are looking good suddenly people got silent what a surprise you know and when smart contracts come and multi-asset comes and all those other things it'll get really quiet and the transaction volume will keep going up all these projects will keep being built and get even more quiet the silence is deafening tell them wheat is addictive and they'll lose this oh that's great uh we built voltaire and rust rust is a great language uh make sure to grab some elk meat i'll just show up and be like with an anti-weed shirt while being vegan um saying mma should be banned because it causes brain damage and dmt is a scam oh man that would be so much fun and do you think jill has at spotify over under six months if they try to censor him he'll go he has to or else he'll lose all his money uh but he just bought a 14.4 million dollar home in austin texas so i think he might need some of that spotify money so if i had to guess i think he's going to stay on spotify and it's going to turn into kind of an xm radio howard stern type deal uh thank you for the gates chair reference i'm posting it to all my social media accounts yeah you guys absolutely need to make a meme out of that thoughts on danny brazilian using his public company's money to fund his lifestyle you know this is what some of these guys do i don't have a lot of respect for people who they say look how rich i am and look look at all these beautiful women i have look at all the things i can buy it's one thing to get successful and say hey i'm having this amazing success especially when you share that success with other people like sometimes when you show people what it's really like being wealthy and what the lifestyle is like it's not all as glamorous people make it out to be um like on facebook i posted a picture of my lamborghini on the back of a true truck uh it's been towed three times in the last year i've owned it because of various little problems that it's had so it's nice to show that stuff off and say yeah you know we're all people okay i have more than most uh but uh there's no difference with me versus you and you should never believe that because you have money it makes you special we both breathe the same air we both drink the same water uh there's nothing special about uh people but uh these people come along and then they become the asset and then the problem is that uh they have to keep doing more and more and more of that almost like the instagram models and these things and uh then they have to look for even more crazy ways of differentiating themselves with this wealth and power and then they go into that spiral and usually what ends up happening because they start committing crimes because they run out of resources to be able to do it from their own uh their own accord it's called a grandiosity gap so i don't have a lot of respect for people who do that i'm like what's the guy accomplished what's he done what's he built you know uh if you look to musk you can say well i look all around boulder and i see tons of the cars and this guy wasn't born these teslas wouldn't be here uh you know i watched those rockets landing on the pad and the astronauts going to the space station that is a real person society should reward that and give accolades to that being with beautiful women is not an accomplishment nor is being able to afford expensive meals or these things so anyway it's just a difference of style and personality i guessed um have you ever met elin yes um this is a good one i don't know and it's coming up so we got to do something i would have gone somewhere it would have been a lot of fun but uh unfortunately um the world is shut down so we'll try to do something virtual celsius seems further ahead in development how will cardano compete with platforms like celsius in terms of interoperability they're adapt how about they move over to cardano that sounds like a good plan let's find a way to make that happen is this your saturday night charles yep this is my saturday night and the mood is right oh what a night damn charles hi charles late night surprise too much coffee today welcome dr lesser we're going to change your last name to dr elector will you please wear two pens tucked in your collar went on rogan yeah so if many of you if i don't have the front pocket because they're gradually phasing that out i'll actually put the pen on my collar so what you're asking me to do tommy peters is put my pens in my collar like that is that what you're asking me to do tommy peters to do that i mean it can be done tommy peters two pens in the collar and then they'll call me to pen charles uh um are these lamy pens you recognize them yes they are they are lamy pens i am a big fan of lambie pens and uh two penn charles is always always a fan of those in the collar all right lord of the rings are star wars well star wars under kathleen kennedy can just go itself so lord of the rings we'll see what they do under amazon but i uh the only the mandalorian is good and they're going to find a way to make it bad they're trying so hard you know john favreau is like no disney no don't ruin it uh sunday morning here in oz welcome oz australia is a beautiful place will symphony of blockchain ever be revived at some point yeah one of these days rogue one was the only good new star wars movie that's true and they had to reshoot it oh my god it was so much work you know here's what they need to do if if they hired me to reduce star wars and they said charles we need to save the franchise kathleen kennedy's out the very first thing i would do is i would make an r-rated standalone vader movie just go do what they did with logan you know an r-rated wolverine movie go do that for darth vader okay then the only good asset that they have right now is the mandalorian so it's clear that these cereals are very popular and if they're done correctly can help you build out your universe so go do that okay and saturate for the next few years your entire baseline and the comic book series that they've been pushing out are pretty reasonable then you have all this great content from the old republic so go do a trilogy in the old republic and hire some decent writers uh for that not d from uh game of thrones that they should be flogged and hanged for what they did uh for a season seven and eight but go hire some decent writers for the old republican go do that and there's tons of material for this then the other thing is pretend like the new trilogy that they just made never happened and go remake episode 789 and make them properly bring mara jade back and all these other things and what you do is use the mandalorian and your other cereals to push your way back into episodes seven and eight and uh redo the whole thing so de-canonize these movies they did it with the incredible hulk uh they can do it here just pretend like those movies didn't exist boohoo to anybody who complains about it um and you know there's the the clone wars people and all these other things uh there's just a lot of great writers a lot of great material that lives in the ecosystem so that's what i would do and it would be amazing you guys would love it and it will never happen because star wars is now wolk wars just like star trek they killed star trek star trek discovery is a dumpster fire picard is a dumpster fire i just don't understand why they take these amazing franchises and they just burn them to the ground and then when you complain about it you're a bad person but that's just charles 2 penn hoskinson's opinion don't forget the fallen order series there's some good stuff in that pipeline yeah there's a lot of good stuff oh that's a good one this one right here thoughts on bethesda being bought out by microsoft do you think it a lot of fire under their asses and push for elite states on elder scrolls 6 and star field so i actually know some people at bethesda and elder scrolls 6 they have been working on very hard they built a completely new graphics engine it's a flagship game so like when skyrim came out that was the foundation for the fallout series and um a lot of their derivative franchises and they're making a lot of money from the elder scrolls online and they have a lot of very profitable ip sources so bethesda's not in like a super rush to get anything out quickly and generally with the elder scrolls series these these are kind of the next gen technology so they were waiting for ps5 in the new xbox to propagate and they're building basically elder scroll six for that in terms of its underlying technology is going to be using something equivalent to what you're seeing with unreal four and it's just really amazing what they've been able to accomplish with it and there's just all these new features and cool ai systems and other things so um there's a big team it's and they're putting a lot of effort into it now the microsoft acquisition of bethesda is interesting microsoft has a very poor track record of when they acquire a studio basically just screwing the whole thing up whether they did a good job or not with minecraft they haven't really done much with that ip to show like a big improvement or acceleration and they've destroyed a lot of other franchises like lionhead studios and you know these other things in their past fable was a dumpster fire after um fable iii so if i had to guess i think you would see no meaningful change in bethesda today and for fallout and for the new fallouts that are coming in for elder scrolls six i think you will see a significant change in bethesda over the next three to five years in terms of how they pursue game development the types of projects they work on and how these projects are wired together but not not much today it's a shame bethesda was a one of the good ones you know it's uh a great studio by the way they were inspired to create the elder scrolls by my game uh legends of valor i can say it's my game now yeah you know i didn't create it i just bought it what do you think of the recent epic versus apple fight epic gonna lose cause apple gonna apple okay this is how you should ask every question if you want an answer now hey to penn c [Laughter] does legends of valor have an ending not yet but i did write one but i'm not happy with the one i wrote do you like the forgotten realms forgotten realms third edition great time of troubles and post time of troubles great forgotten realms fourth edition they destroyed everything that was ever good about that entire world it was it was like taking this beautiful beautiful child and then filling the tub up with scalding hot water putting some insulating gloves on and strangling the child in the scalding hot tub and uh then they let it live for a little bit like in horrific pain and terrible burns over its body and then put it back into the scolding water i will never forgive wizards of the coast for what they did and with fourth edition i will never forgive them for what they did to forgotten realms it um had well over 20 years of lore and beautiful history and a beautiful game world and they just threw it all away they got rid of chult they killed the entire gods in the pantheon they destroyed the whole magic system it was horrible what they did absolutely horrible and unforgivable and those people should be quartered out and shot said i never looked back i went total pathfinder and i've never looked back since they've lost me for life but pre-fourth edition beautiful absolutely great game world i grew up on the gold box games second edition and first edition it's catching on already right cool look instead of popping your collar you'll be too pending it that's what 2 penn c does yo there we go no way you'll top the alex jones episode we're going to go five hours and then spotify editorial control we'll edit it down to 30 minutes and then it'll just have like this fact-checking thing next to me and they'll say how horrible charles says georgia the country of georgia done deal [Music] where did the eagle end the eagle has landed in the office looks really good there actually it was a lot smaller than i thought it came in a huge crate so i was like oh no i don't have room for this but we open the crate outside we're able to get it up the elevator so it's in the office hard to wing suit at 230 pounds you're damn right i need to lose some weight and strengthen up red pen or blue pen oh that's awesome i can take him out be like right with the red pen right with the blue pen oh i didn't even think about yeah i love this this is great thoughts on crypto finally uh rachel siegel yeah i like her a lot she has a good little show and good marketing chick she makes very good money with that marketing shtick and she's actually very bright no they're about done you know the growing season's over i'm just about to harvest the pumpkins oh oh oh oh i gotta answer this one up here bigfoot a little bit higher than that do you like the band tool to me tool sounds like garbage cans having sex i do not like them i don't like dodge rams and i will not eat green eggs and ham did i miss the georgia news when did this happen the prime minister of the country wrote about us but we're not relevant for wikipedia would you ever publicly debate vitalik what's the point of that i'd rather do productive things right now for the infosec folk the best thing you can do is participate in idea scale in in the discussions around voltaire in the dc fund a huge amount of these ideas are going to require a security dimension it's a good way to get some business make some money and really help people out i think that's the best way you guys can participate security mindset is very hard to come by oop wrong one no i don't want to do that one either where was it where was it ah here we go been asking this question for a while what is your history and relationship with andreas and antonopoulos i've known of address for well over seven years and um occasionally go on his show let's talk bitcoin and we've run into each other quite a few times throughout the years he's a great communicator and a good educator and one of the good guys in the space your thought on wood price skyrocketing i should have been a lumberjack i got an update on that from the lab not ready to talk about it yet what was the question stacy what was the question i was scrolling through i'm doing this by hand on a touch screen touchy screenies who is the smartest guy in the blockchain industry [Music] hmm you know um alex cherpinoy is probably one of the smartest guys in the industry um he knows a little bit of everything he can do everything um academically probably the strongest guy uh is uh silvio mccauley because i mean he's like got the nobel prize in computer science and built half of the stuff in our industry uh and he's an exceedingly smart guy and he's hired a lot of very bright people uh promote viswanas is probably another one of the smartest people in the industry as is our chief scientist aguilas casas he's an extremely good guy duncan is probably the best engineer in the industry but there's a lot of really good people um this industry tends to be a beacon to attract brilliant people greg maxwell is also incredibly smart toxic person but very smart and very talented and uh and you'll never get any brownie points forever trying to collaborate with them if you're either with them or against them yeah there's some really good people the smartest person i ever met was terence tau there are few people in life that can ever achieve that that level of thought have you ever talked with gavin wood about cardano oh yes he is well more than aware of what we do and we rub shoulders every now and then you asked i answered i don't believe anyone wants to see 40 iohk stake pools so will i which case take the smaller pools when k increases well i don't know maybe people do want to see him maybe they don't want to see him you don't want to see him i don't know uh yeah we'd love to do some community delegation when a partial delegation is enabled and delegation portfolios is enabled it'll make that a lot easier conversation my problem is that who do i pick if i pick bob and not alice alice hates me if i pick alice bob hates me so the very act of trying to help the ecosystem means i'm picking winners and losers so i'd like to avoid that until i have a more impartial way of dealing with it and whether we have 20 pools or 40 pools does that particularly matter no you know we have eight percent of the supply so of course we're gonna have a few pools come up with a different consensus mechanism if you think uh plutocratic consensus is not fair i care a lot about the system surviving i have vested interest in that respect are you a fed no this is an interesting one favorite nfl team griffin colorado the denver broncos were but you know i have not watched a game of football in a few years uh last game i think it was one of the super bowls i just don't care about the nfl anymore um the nfl did the same thing that kathleen kennedy did to me with star wars i used to love star wars i was a huge star wars fan i got very excited about it after the last jedi i just became apathetic i didn't care when rise of the skywalker came out i guess i'll see it but there was no passion there anymore and after what's recently happened with the um nfl the last few years with all the politics and these things i just don't care anymore about the nfl i just don't even think about it i i used to know who's in the draft if their first round or second round the difference between ryan leaf and peyton manning uh you know blast from the past and uh i knew everybody's quarterback rating and what was so nice about a football was that it was the ultimate opener in the united states in particular for having conversations with people you'd be at the airport at the bar you'd sit next to some guy and you know you could just be like if you're in seattle how about those seahawks they'd have an opinion about it it was nice it really was to be able to have that opener and you'd be able to speak about football for a few minutes and then you could pivot to something else but at least you can build rapport and camaraderie with people and now it's just a dead sport to me i just don't care i don't care who wins don't care about the broncos i don't even know who the quarterback the denver broncos are i don't even know who the head coach is it's uh it's pretty crazy and every year they're getting less and less ratings and audience and you know it is what it is so on to other sports and it's sad too because it was something i truly enjoyed and my dad truly enjoyed and it was a way for my father and i to keep a thread together and i lost that because of all these things and apparently i'm the problem because of that that's what i'm told foreign thoughts on a restaurant utilizing the cardano blockchain be pretty cool for food safety uh you know it's one of those downstream consumers of things that have already been blockchained so it's entirely possible the restaurant of the future when you get your food you can basically scan a qr code or something like that that is programmed to the table and you can actually see the entire history of all the ingredients and where they came from and the people who worked on them so you know this is the magic of when you start getting creative and you think about where is the world going and where where do these technologies go and something as simple as well what can a restaurant do with this you suddenly can create a whole ecosystem around telling stories about the things that the people are consuming and it works both ways customers as well as you know the providers you can know about famous people who worked at the restaurant famous people who have eaten at the restaurant you got all these beautiful chicken systems for them a great example is um when i was at cu boulder i used to eat at this restaurant nearby cu boulder called the sink it's a very old pizzeria very famous one and the ceiling of the sink has all these beautiful hand drawn pictures and uh and uh you know text and signatures and things like that and have these nice murals on the side of the restaurant tell the story of it well robert redford was the janitor there way back in the day like the 1960s or 50s or something like that and i just had so much fun always going there and there was so much history that was there a lot of older restaurants like the other day i eat at um the buckhorn exchange it started in 1893 it's the oldest restaurant in denver the owner of that restaurant was good friends with teddy roosevelt and when they go hunting he actually would get all the animals taxidermy and he'd drag him back to his restaurant so if you go to the buckhorn exchange you will actually see the hundreds and hundreds of various animals that he hunted from bears to skunks to wolverines and exotic birds and all these other things alongside all the guns of the time so they have calvary rifles from the 1890s and these things and the restaurant has so much history eight u.s presidents have eaten there uh the both the apollo and the gemini astronaut to be there um great sports stars governors entertainers like johnny carson vanda white it's a pretty eclectic place and they tell you that because that's their shtick but it'd be nice to actually have a system that lets you know these things the customer side and also the employee side along with the food and everything else the point is it's your imagination as an architect if i've done my job right it's easy to build these things uh and you can learn quickly from those who have built these things and pull these things into your business and they scale very rapidly uh that's the magic of great platforms when cell phones came out smartphones came out and they had the app store then suddenly it was so easy to build all these experiences that previously would cost millions to billions of dollars or be just physically impossible and you could make assumptions about your customers that you could never make before for example uh when you look at this pandemic a lot of the times when i go to eat and i scan a menu with a qr code they won't give you a paper menu they actually just assume you have a cell phone and a cell phone that's internet connected and a cell phone that can scan a qr code and pull up a menu from their website that would be an insane assumption even just 10 years ago but today it's a reasonable one to make for most restaurants so answering your question you know i think if i've done my job right there's a great foundation to innovate on and that innovation will allow you to be creative in trying to make your business more appealing whether it be telling the story of the customers who have eaten there whether they be famous people like presidents or infamous people like ted kaczynski or they'd be great employees who went on to go do incredible things like the robert redford story for example or the story of the food or the people who prepared the food where the food came from uh better ways of tipping you know more interesting ways of tipping uh so you know the sky's the limit for this type of stuff anyway that's a good way to end it and so as a yeah there's a good one from dan best charles thoughts on russell j gould and correct par syntax grammar sorry dan that's for a different time there's a good way to end it though thanks everybody three hours today two hours 39 minutes and 58 seconds i'm gonna go get some sleep charles two penn hoskins i'm tired