Surprise AMA 10/03/2020

00:00 to 1:48:04

hi everyone this is charles hoskinson broadcasting live from warm sunny colorado always warm always sunny sometimes colorado it is october 3rd 2020. year of our lord it has been a pretty crazy year the news of the week is that the president of the united states has got the rona and he's currently at walter reed and apparently has a really good team of doctors with them i think they found every doctor on the east coast of uh the united states and pulled them into treating this guy so we wish him well and we hope everything is for the best it's always tough especially in that age group 74 and in his current condition it can have up to a 5 mortality rate so that's no joke most people wouldn't get in a car if he said you have a 1 in 20 chance of of dying so that's uh the one group that really has a serious seriously hard time and wherever your politics fall it's not okay for people to be put through that kind of suffering so i hope everything works out and i hope he has a speedy recovery and all the other people that are testing positive in that orbit because it's flooding through the white house and i hope they all do well too okay now let's get on to cardano let's get on to io global let's get on to all the cool things it's a saturday ama lazy day feeling pretty good loving life going to get a haircut right after this and so i'll look normal again i i will no longer have the pandemic hair it's been a tough year for hair but all things considered everything's moving in the right direction i heard you guys like the uh the ben goretzel interview that i did i'd love to do one with stephen wolfram and several others it's difficult to travel so we haven't had a chance to do that but one of these days i will and there's many people to to talk to about it and anyway the project is looking good db sync was recently released the graphql version was recently released node 1.2 was recently released more to come there's probably two or three releases this month on various different things from the node to dead list other such things uh we're working really hard on improving deadlifts faster uh in including parallelizing the work and so now there are various components of deadlifts we're working on like an identity center a voting center a qr code center and paper wallet center and so forth and each of those centers what we're doing is we're packaging those those bundles of work and then having basically a different branch be worked on by a third-party firm that's tendering a fixed cost contract so that they can all run in parallel and then we can pull them together because if we did it was just the core daedalus team uh there would be uh it would take too long to bring a lot of these things to market like we'd really like the voting center for example to be available by fund three and the identity center is very powerful because it can enable a lot of applications in multi-sig authenticated addresses and so forth so it's super important that that gets done quickly as well so we should be able to finish the business and technical requirements for the identity center around october 15th they asked for an additional two weeks because there's additional things to scope but on how prism is going to get integrated into daedalus and i said sure go do that and then we'll tender it out and we'll push it forward so a lot of great progress there on the gogan side we decided to wait a little bit longer before announcing specific dates because we need to see a little bit of burn down velocity with the um the project management system that we're using right now so i have these lovely burn down charts and i can see the projected burn down and we actually see the real progress that's being made but that system requires a few weeks before we can make accurate projections with it so be a little more more patient uh but a lot of work is being done and we're moving the right direction getting it done and again with uh the daedalus workstream where we parallelize things we're gonna do the exact same work stream if we can with the plutus and marlo set of things and we'll start outsourcing components uh that don't have to be done by the core team and they can be done in parallel so we can speed things up a little bit so if it's an issue of just simply more cost and there's labor available we will always accelerate that because i want to get to the business of building applications i'm real excited about the d5 space real excited about dapps and getting tired of saying hey let's wait a little bit longer i want to be in that game i want to be fighting in that game i'm fired up for it 2021 is going to be a good year so anyway yeah it's going to be a bit more time but the end of october is going to be a really fun presentation there's a lot to talk about there we'll have a beautiful presentation i think on erc20 converter and lots of things to say about marlow lots of things to say about the project in general uh each of these product updates they tend to get more verbose they went from an hour to two hours and that's just because there's so much parallelism that's occurring and what's also going to be nice is we're going to start showcasing third parties who are working on cardone are working with cardano to do something so it's as much their story as it is uh our story so not much more to say there uh on the etc side of things we uh just started doing uh weekly updates with the resurrected mantis team uh we just did the first one uh last week and this week we'll have one too and every week thereafter and they'll just kind of talk about what they're working on what they're doing a lot of great showcases on crowdcast are different ideas of 51 attack resolution and it seems like the community is gradually moving towards a consensus opinion a consensus roll-up of different ideas that probably once together will solve all of the stuff and i already see a great question this is bad news meaning gogan work has just started no this is exactly what happens when people have no experience of software engineering just start babbling consent descending to idiocy we've been working on goku for four years four years in an enormous amount of work has been accomplished and done there is a golden work stream and there is a cardano work stream and they have to merge together so we have to upgrade the utxot extended utxo and put pluto's core in so the shelley team got pulled over into the gogen side to do that infrastructure and betting but goku work has been going on for four years it hasn't just started sorry try again and it says otherwise you would have a burn down chart already no we've been changing project management uh things and we've been estimating velocity many different ways you see this is another example of a person that just doesn't know what they're doing we're doing fine you know what's really amazing was the biggest milestone for our project was the delivery of shelley because we had to go from one completely different cryptocurrency to a completely new cryptocurrency with completely different rules and we built a beautiful bridge for that called the hard four combinator and we had to do a new network stack new ledger rules new way of doing transactions new address scheme new cryptography a lot more of it a completely new consensus protocol uh it was an enormous effort and we had to do all of that together with an eye on what are we going to do for gogan and voltaire and so we did that we achieved that huge milestone and now we've cleaned up the post upgrade mess which was considerable there was a lot of little things to do and now we're pulling gogan in and here's the thing we don't like giving dates where we miss the dates and so unless we have an incredibly high degree of confidence in those dates we're not going to announce anything the whole point of switching process and procedure is to get more precision and accuracy especially when you're dealing with many teams some inside of the company some outside of the company and so we're not in a position where we have enough velocity data with this consolidated workflow where we can definitively say oh it's going to be this month versus that month but it's not the case where there's two years worth of work it's not even close to that it's not the case there's a year's worth of work it's not even close to that so we're actually doing everything we need very quickly and turning things on very quickly now there's a long tail with gogen so even after goku comes out like when shelley came out there's additional features and functionality that are required like for example with shelley we had atomic delegation but not partial delegation so that feature needs to come and there's a lot of work to do to enable that feature and so that's a post-shelly piece of work but it is in the shelley scope similarly with gogen there's gogan with pluto's foundations okay but then there's the application framework so there's a lot of ecosystem infrastructure that we also need to build some can be built in parallel some can only be built after governor's launch so there's a tale there as well and that tale involves making the development experience better higher quality control easier development experience and so forth but uh yeah there's just a lot of people like running around running their mouth and saying the sky is falling it's not we're we've never been in a position where we have more flexibility and predictability and understanding of the road ahead it was really difficult in the byron age when we were dealing with code that was so hostile to upgrading to estimate anything now in a situation where we have huge performance problems and in two weeks they're resolved because we wrote the code we understand the code and we know how to benchmark that we have super complex problems with the bittrex wallet and within a month we're able to resolve those super complex problems if we were dealing with the old circle code be six months to be able to deal with something like that and be able to get a proper solution and so forth uh so we're in a really good position in that respect and i i'm not like worried about golgan in any sense of the word all right let's get to your questions here from dave b will daedalus ever work together with treasure yes treasure in ledger's support is coming will there ever be a dead list for android so for the next five years i'd like to aggressively pursue uh mobile clients and uh they would be really nice to actually build a unified infrastructure where it works on both the desktop the browser and mobile as a reference client i'd also like to see client diversity so we have not just a haskell version of card auto but maybe a rust and a javascript version of cardano as well and it would be really really cool if uh if we could get to that point where independent teams are working together and we collaborate on the specification level i think it would be much better for the project and create much more resilience for the project if we could accomplish that uh charles do you think someone could compile the cardona related info into a hard copy manual it would be really cool to have mastering cardonal like they have mastering bitcoin mastering ethereum do a mastering card and let's see if we can get that to happen there's some people i'd love to write it actually really cool if we get dave thomas to write a pragmatic card auto book he's a good author now this is a good question right here from hilly gorlick and it says any chance to have a passcode required when opening daedalus so access control for deadlifts is a really cool topic and uh there are so many tools that exist from uh cell phones to other devices like ub keys and biometric scanners and face scanners and so forth that can be part of a security solution for access control which is what you're talking about so the whole topic of access control the worst way of doing access control is a password for three reasons one people tend to forget them people tend to pick uh passwords that are insecure and people tend to reuse the same password in many different places so those three factors alone are problematic and so when you can take that element out of the active control story and move to hardware enforced access control or biometric enforced or ideally a combination of the two where the biometric is the username and the hardware is the password this is the most secure phenomena and frankly it's significantly better from user experience you know you look at the camera it recognizes you windows hello or whatever and then you you know go ahead and plug a key in push a button and then boom you're in hackers can't break that it's extremely difficult to do so you don't have to remember anything and you have a near disruption free user flow to access the system so that's one level of access control which is the opening of daedalus itself as we add more capabilities to daedalus the identity center the voting center more financial data and these types of things each of those components contain more private information so right now you know your balance okay your transaction history okay it's not good but you know it's not bad if that gets exposed for most people but when you have all these other components in that becomes more problematic especially when social elements enter cardano and there may be chat records between you and other people through like a signal protocol or something like that so if that's the case we need better access control to open daedalus and i think the best way of accommodating that is hardware enforced access control because you can also reuse the hardware to encrypt your wallet spending password you can reuse the hardware to create um pgp encryption and other types of things for paper wallet backups and these types of things and then there's questions what do you do when you release the hardware and redundancy it's the old cia triad confidentiality integrity and availability but this is definitely something we've been thinking about and we've been not only talking about it internally but we've been talking with a lot of infosec experts because we have a very strong network of infosec people in the cardinal ecosystem who audit us and work with us and we're kind of saying okay how are we going to handle the next generation access control so when we start rolling out all these features there's going to be a group of people that worry about that user experience we also have a great ux guy his name is mike he's right now working on the user experience of orp of uh marlow and then he's going to go do plutus and then he's going to go right into daedalus and that'll be one of the things we think about mm-hmm i get this a lot so there are two books now written about the history of ethereum uh into the ether and uh the infinite machine and uh people say is this a fair depiction of reality and here's the reality those people in the book aren't real people they're characters they're characters based upon interview composites so somebody went and said 25 feet mil tell me who vitalik is 25 people tell me who charles is and this and everybody had an opinion everybody has a little view and it's like feeling an elephant in a room that's dark and uh at the end of the day you have to make a narrative decision when you write a book and so she said i'm gonna write a book about vitalik's hero's journey from where he started to all the stuff he dealt with and all the people who are there the joe lubins and the charles hoskinsons and the gavin woods they're supporting characters and some are more important some are less important we have our exits and our entrances and there you go uh so i don't feel it's a depiction that's particularly accurate but it's accurate from the perspective that she wanted to tell a story and she told a story and you know more books will be written and they'll have differences of opinions some more favorable some less favorable but you know the broader point is that people lack common sense in these politics of personal destruction i was at ethereum for six months just six months i've been in cardano for almost six years now working continuously delivering continuously working hundred hour weeks continuously growing the company from two people to 250 people dealing with tons of crises and tragedies and all kinds of complex relationships managing the largest research agenda in our entire industry managing one of the largest most diverse groups of developers in our entire industry doing things that any reasonable objective outside person would say are very hard and very complicated and somehow we're here we're growing and we keep making progress and we keep surviving none of that is relevant to the story she told and thus not included okay uh so you know it is what it is and you just you just deal with it um i didn't solicit the book uh and you know she asked if i wanted an interview or not i said well okay and i spent three hours talking to her i spent a few hours talking to laura shin for her book and the other guy for his book the into the ether book and then that's just my view and other people have their view uh it's extraordinary to me absolutely extraordinary to me though that people take these things so seriously uh they're just stories and take whatever truth you want out of them but think for yourself and look at the history and look at what's been delivered and how people behave and act um the character in that book seemed to come off as very narcissistic and very controlling and had no desire to be accountable to anyone every day i'm accountable to you the community i do amas on a weekly or bi-weekly basis i try to keep you guys informed i wake up every day try to do the work i've never done a contract never been sued for nigging out of contract or walking out i have always tried to do my best job here and i've been doing the same job at io global now for six years and we've had many people come and go but a lot of people are still here and they're still motivated and passionate love the work that they do so that's a data point that of course has to be compared to that character in that book and the truth is probably somewhere in between do you still take lion's mane where do you get it from having trouble finding fruiting bodies uh lions made sense covet i buy a supplement called ohm om and 2000 milligrams uh a day comes in three tablets i'm going to start growing lines made actually here in colorado on my farm and i will sell supplements if i can get high enough yield because you're absolutely right it is actually hard to find fresh lines made but that particular brand is one of the best i don't worry about this uh primarily because if they're open source and in the public domain and someone attempts to patent it then there's prior art so the patent should be rejected it doesn't mean they won't um it doesn't mean they won't sorry just a crazy question it doesn't mean that they won't try to patent it but we'll certainly litigate it if they do yes it's the only other cryptocurrency i hold what does un adoption mean for the project uh so this is a small pilot that we're doing with the united nations with uh this whole voltaire setup but we're gonna be working with them for years probably throughout the entire life the company my goal is economic identity and by giving it to people it makes people better the un's sustainability goals and anti-poverty goals are somewhat compatible with what we're attempting to do so we're kindred spirits in a certain respect and i wake up every day and i say how do we get people economic identity and they wake up every day and they say how do we pull people out of extreme poverty and it's just a matter of convincing them that my solution set helps them with their solution set and then suddenly we're working together and that's going to happen a lot in 2021 and 2022 and so forth and you'll see tighter and tighter collaboration especially with diaspora yeah this is a great question conor thoughts on backlash generated by the cardano effect asking for 750k eta 424 podcast episodes i don't think they're actually asking for an unreasonable amount of money given what they're doing their skill sets and what they provide but the fact that people are talking about it and asking them to really break down why this is good for the ecosystem is a really good example of effective governance so if this is the level of scrutiny that people are going to have to get money it means the system is working well and over time we'll get into a flow and people will become uh get will be able to get what they need and so it's a negotiation and it's great that there wasn't just this assumption because of the cardano effect that they're going to get paid just the same for us there's not an assumption just because i'm charles hoskinson and there's io global that we're going to get the renewed contract to bill cardano we're going to fight for it and we think we have a great argument of the things that we're going to do and it's going to be a very reasonable ask but at the same time the community is going to ask questions and they're going to do exactly what they're doing the cardano effect to us and we fully anticipate that we're prepared for it and that's the way it should be uh every single ada that comes from the treasury belongs to all the people of cardano and it's their decision of how to use that to best grow the ecosystem maintain the ecosystem and keep the ecosystem stable so that it can accomplish the goals that the ecosystem was set up to do in the developed world reduction of commercial friction and in the developing world achieving economic identity for all and there are certain things on the infrastructural level like how do we truly achieve a third generation cryptocurrency and there's much more to do there and there's a lot of projects to do from explaining and educating to uh infrastructure on top of the protocol like layer two stuff and the community as a whole has to sort all that out and the goal of voltaire is to give people the tools necessary to do that and we're right now all learning from each other so this is ultimately a very positive thing and this conversation when it converges i think will be a model for other people to follow if you ever had another vision on how to improve the blockchain and the cf didn't go for it uh would you create a new course on your own so let's be very clear about something the cardano foundation does not own or control cardano let's be 100 clear about that they do not own or control cardano there's nothing special about the cardonal foundation as an entity versus my organization or any other organization they have a mission and a mandate to promote the protocol grow the protocol protect and these types of things and act in a government's capacity but it's not like they're a specialized organization that they stand among everybody else and we have to ask them for permission if they ever take that position we should burn them to the ground because this cannot work as a cryptocurrency if one organization makes a unilateral decision that they run everything this was one of the primary problems with michael parsons reign at the foundation because he viewed it that way he said i am in charge i am the chairman i run everything and all you other people you just have to get permission from me uh it got to a point where we were in ethiopia and we just signed an mou with the ethiopian government the first government to actually legitimize cardano and say they want to work and build things on cardano and the foundation sent us a cease and desist saying you cannot use cardano in your press release we need to be consulted for that so if they take that position uh they're my enemy and i'll destroy them but they don't uh they recently had a curious coin telegraph article of saying they're independent i was like okay you are but uh so far uh they've never once come to us tell us what vision they have or what to do it's an open protocol our vision as a company is about economic identity and all the things we do we're trying to provide that cardano as infrastructure we'd like to evolve it in that direction now there are other ways to evolve it they're not necessarily incompatible with our vision so here's what you do you go and you make the case this is what the roadmap should be and the people who are in control the people who hold ada make that decision of whether the protocol evolves in that direction or an alternative direction one of the points of the cip process and all these governance tools that we're building is that there is a standard change management system for cordano as a whole there is nothing in that system that gives the cf or any other entity veto power and if there was an entity who had veto power it certainly wouldn't be them uh so uh so this is a misconception that flowers around because people think in centralization they think oh there must be a governing body or a ceo or someone in control and they're not now within that framework there are plenty of things that can be done like there needs to be accurate truthful information there needs to be partnership development there needs to be people who fight for uh liquidity and getting listed on exchanges maintaining infrastructure help desk functions dozens of supportive functions that are absolutely critical for the system to have a good user experience and to be propagated and grow and yeah there's tons of value that the cf can provide there but it's certainly not enough we're in control you must ask permission if that's the case then that's not the cargano i created and it's not the cardona you guys sound signed up for and i have no indication of that many more to come it's going to be very fun in 2021 between us guys and the entire internet um can't say anything about it um why do consumers think tazos is better than cardano i see we have tezos people in the chat every single ama never fails they do good things in that project yes i have will there be an indexer for contract execution events like the graph that's probably a reasonable thing to consider especially look at these things like state machines and if there was something like that it would be built into an ide or built into the plutus application framework and i guarantee you that somebody somewhere along the way will build it if we don't build it and we'll go to the dc fund ask for funding for it and that's really the cool part about all this why thank you i appreciate that when i don't wear the glasses i look younger how about that let's start working out aggressively again i need to get rid of all this fat and get back in good shape i just didn't want to go to the gym so i work at the home gym sometimes but you know this whole corona thing it's like gotta put yourself in a bubble and then get on a treadmill hmm thoughts on stephen wolfram's work on his unification theory uh you know there's a very polarizing constellation of opinions from physicists and other people i talked to about this i like steve and i think he's an extremely smart guy and he's actually got a great organization wolf ram is a phenomenal company and i think he has all the people he needs to pursue this line of inquiry and there's good stuff that will come out of it some of the things do bother me like there's not enough rigor in his definitions um and he justifies that saying well we're physicists and you do experiments and you have intuition and then eventually get to a point where you really understand something and then you work your way backwards to you know more elegant formalism so i'll give them that and that's fair but there's a lot of work to do there and it's just a continuation of ideas he's had for three decades if not longer and he finally gets to do these things and one of these days i would love to do a project with uh i'd love to do a project with uh stephen wolfe ramp sorry the dog is barking how to frame the futurist agi mindset the human is positive doing good and prevent it from overriding those static variables there's no concept of doing good that's static doing good is always somewhat relative you can construct objective philosophical foundations for goodness and these are very few and physicists and philosophers and ethicists and these other people who think about these things uh they they debate this but probably the the most constructive way of approaching that problem is things saying the birth test so you look at a society as a totality and you say you're going to be born into that society that's it that's all you know you don't know anything else you don't know who your mother is who your father is you don't know if you're going to be poor you're going to be rich you're going to be gay you're going to be straight you don't know the color of your skin you know your medical conditions you just know you're born in that society now when you are comparing societies a b c d e uh your preference for which society to be born in just knowing you're going to be born into it is an indication of social progress if you say uh c that's most people seem to prefer c then there's something about the construction of society c that has a universal fairness across all conditions and the goal ought to be then that we continue making progress so that you would take the bet regardless of what information you know that's about the only thing you can do objectively when you look at these things everything else is is can it really connect to the facts and circumstances genetics geography it's connected to a whole bunch of other components but if you say regardless of what you know you just exist is existence good or bad would you take the deal of existence here then that's something now what agi is really nice about especially narrow agi is that narrow agi can act as a mirror a philosophical mirror for us so we are creatures of contradiction we are creatures of bias we are creatures where our cognitive reality does not actually map one to one with objective reality and so it's really nice when you have objective reality kick you in the face from time to time and tell you who you really are tell you where you're not being honest tell you where you're being biased tell you where you're being unfair to people and so forth so one of the first applications in ethics for artificial intelligence is to act as a counterbalance to human judgment and question the judgment there's already a large group of people thinking about this in the judicial system for sentencing or they say a judge makes a decision to sentence people and every now and then you'll notice that two people with relatively the same life story commit relatively the same crime relatively the same facts and circumstances and one person gets off with probation and a misdemeanor and maybe a year in prison or whatever and then the other person goes to a federal prison for 10 years even though the facts and circumstances were damn near identical but let's say there was a spacing of time five years ten years or something like that and so the judge doesn't remember ten years ago they sentenced somebody the other way agis never forget and they know everything they see the entire game board they see the entire state of history and they can keep decisions made today in reference to decisions made ten years ago or five years ago and they can look at many different factors and see which ones are the same and which ones are different now where this is so powerful then is when you have to make a decision if you're a doctor a lawyer a judge whatever and it before you make the decision it gives you an additional set of data facts about that and then you say to yourself oh okay this additional set of data and facts and about this circumstance maybe it's going to influence or change my behavior now i'm not suggesting that the ai becomes the decision machine and it basically gets to decide for us but rather it tells the doctor the lawyer the judge the professional of some new material we see this with watson for example with ibm or a lot of these systems that augment and assist radiologists when they're looking for cancerous tumors so they look at the film and then the ai will circle it for them as well and it gives them another place to look and maybe they saw it maybe they didn't see it maybe they think it's an anomaly and it's irrelevant they don't particularly care but the fact that it's there more often than not results in better outcomes and better differential diagnoses and all these other things so same thing for a judge making a sentencing decision the same thing for any aspect of society so that's on the individualistic sense i'm a professional and this is another tool to help me as a professional test my code make better judgment then on a social sense you can start looking at society as a whole so for example you can take the totality of all u s law the totality of the entire u s tax code any of these things and then you can say is it self contradictory is it consistent are there ambiguities here etc etc and then when you look at these things on a macro scale or an emergent scale it has so much more power behind it because it basically tells you hey hang on a second here uh you're not making consistent decisions hang on a second here you are inviting a system that has potential to be abused there are vulnerabilities to this system okay and that is the next level of wisdom for society it shows us the holes that we can't see or politics prevent us from seeing and then what we do about that is the character of the society your character is really defined by when you know there's a problem and you choose to do something about it or nothing about it all the time we know there are issues but we choose to do nothing about it because it's too inconvenient or politically damaging to go and embrace and deal with those inconvenient truths and i think ai is extremely powerful in that respect because at least could tell us and make it so blatant that it's really hard to ignore and then we can start having conversations around well what should we do about it how do we solve this particular problem and will the solution of that result in a society that is more fair and the danger though is that we begin trusting these systems too much and then we use them to replace human judgment i believe in stuart russell's view of this where an ai is beneficial only if you can achieve our objectives as humans if it is intelligent and can achieve its own objectives those objectives are not necessarily compatible with what we would consider to be good things for us okay let's see here hey charles what do cbdc's mean to you and how will they affect cardano i would like cardano to be a replacement for the bank of international settlements and all the non-pis banks to come use us as the connecting tissue we have some strategies on uh cbdc's we've been thinking about them and for a while and you know we have a lot of central banks in africa that have approached us saying hey let's do something and actually i think it'd be really cool to connect cbdc concepts not just with hey we can tokenize something but with the ubi concept as well so by using the currency the transaction fees accumulate in a sovereign wealth fund and then you do ubi distribute regular dividends to the society because it's the currency of the country it should generate wealth for the country so we've actually pitched that and we're thinking around it and we're thinking about a good strategy for it this is an interesting question from glenn ortiz charles the cftc and federal prosecutors charged the bit mix exchange i thought it was actually the um state of new york but anyway doj whatever charge bit max exchange was facilitating illicit crypto derivative trading what does this mean for the space if you run an exchange actual meet space exchange and you are human beings in that exchange you cannot go to seychelles or another jurisdiction service u.s customers and expect not to be captured under u.s regulation charlie shrem learned this many people have learned this that your compliance scheme is incredibly important and your ability to work with regulators when you are regulated business is incredibly important okay so they were charged with bsa violations probably hundreds of them uh and they'll keep digging they'll find 20 30 other conspiracy to commit and other things on that list in addition to all of the fines that they're going to get for the cftc for running an unregulated derivatives exchange um the government has always taken these things very seriously and i remember even before cryptocurrencies existed people got shut down for running msb's or uh other facilities and here's the thing guys we say oh the regulations terrible it's like how many exchange hacks have we had how many problems have we had with exchanges they say trust us and they run with the money or the ceo dies dies and then uh you know in a place in india known for people faking their death and dozens of these other problems and how many mount boxes do we have and then when you look under the hood you find lack of process and controls and incompetence and wash trading and all these other problems that occur so if our industry was so incredibly good at self-regulation then why didn't we do it for 10 years we just didn't do it it's the same story corruption greed waste fraud abuse and competence and so regulators now are stepping in and they look at these things and they say these markets manipulate retail investors and manipulate the industry as a whole and there's no control systems for them so we need to do something about it now we could try to do defy and we and that's happening and the code then has baked into it consumer protections and regulations and these other things and there's a lot of people talking about that and i think there's some merit for using dids and authenticated addresses and other things with d5 and it solves the custodial problem and the front-running problem and it's no longer we trust them where we trust the regulator it's we trust the system can't fail and we have mathematical certainty behind it uh and that's great but it's going to take 5 10 15 20 years for that to return materialize and a lot of difficult regulatory questions but if you start a business in exchange and you take other people's money and you hold on to that money and you make markets and people believe that you're following uh some form of code of ethics you should have a realistic expectation of being regulated you really should uh and the people who don't what they do is they offshore and they go into jurisdictions that give them no control and uh in total control the jurisdictions take no control of the process and then they get tempted and it gets too easy you know and there's always some moral compromise you make along the way because the numbers go from thousands to hundreds of thousands to millions to billions and at some point it becomes too easy to do something and the minute that you take that one step in that direction the whole system comes collapsing down and everybody gets screwed so so i'm not surprised these things happen if you service us customers as a regulated financial institution you're expected to be regulated by them now is the us government over litigious sure do they use financial regulation as a geopolitical tool uh reid wants rats treasury wars it's a great example of where they took financial regulation used to the war on terrorism and that's inappropriate and proper for many of the day-to-day operations the consumer protection component in fact in some cases contradictory to the consumer protection components sars are very invasive so that's certainly a conversation but if you choose to do this business like if you choose to be a doctor there are standards and you can't say well i disagree with the standards but i'm still going to go and be a physician if you run an exchange there are standards if you service u.s customers so it is definitely not surprising at all that that this has occurred and there are plenty of counter examples where people have done the thing the right way like kraken for example uh and i have a great admiration and respect for their process and procedures and there was no reason for them in this day and age in 2020 not given their success to attempt to pursue some sort of remediation they chose not to and they chose to go on the offshore route and the predictable result is now they're arrested and they're gonna have to deal with that it is what it is this is the world we live in my views on ubi have never changed i think ubi where it's redistributionism doesn't work so well it doesn't make a lot of sense to me it's it's just another game for uh democratic socialism uh ubi where sovereign wealth has accrued like the norwegian sovereign wealth fund or the saudi fund it makes a lot of sense because you're saying that the citizens of the country are shareholders of the trust and the trust has a surplus so it will distribute the surplus to the citizens so for example if i create a central bank currency it makes boatloads of money and that money accrues in a fund and then we distribute that as dividends to the citizens of that country uh that's good fiscal policy that's good monetary policy that's benefiting the people of the country incentives for surpluses instead of deficits if we just say we're going to take from peter and give to paul that socialism and it seldom achieves anything beneficial because the game is more how do we take more from peter give to paul and peter's not paying his fair share and there's no incentive for the government to run surpluses or a balanced budget they just run deficits and the deficits create inflation which debases the currency which makes paul have a harder time surviving so then paul goes and demands more of peter's stuff and eventually peter runs out of stuff to give paul it's that old saying margaret thatcher used to give socialism only works as long as you have other people's money when you run out of it doesn't work anymore uh hmm this is really cool i talked with my brother about this a lot so my brother's a doctor i only have one brother his name's william uh he's a great doctor but he also is a licensed contractor in wyoming and he owns a lot of real estate he builds stuff and does gutters and all these other things he's always been good with his hands and we've been talking a lot about doing a real estate play on the side and one of the things we've been thinking about is uh what would it cost to do 3d fabrication of homes and what's really cool is that you can design the entire home in a virtual model you can play around with the whole thing and then you just print it and it has everything all set up for the piping and the wires and the insulation and so forth and you may be able to with manufacturing home prices like hundred thirty thousand dollars comparably built something larger and as sturdy as an icf home or something like that so it's certainly something that's really interesting i had a great conversation with some ministers in mozambique and other countries who were working on affordable housing as well and we even talked to the indloo people if you remember that years ago down in south africa about their efforts construct structures it seems to me that 3d printing is not quite where it needs to be but miracles have been achieved and if you look at the trend lines kind of like what musk did with battery-powered cars and tesla we are in a situation where the cost will hit a certain point where it's actually not only practical it's the most sensible thing to 3d print a home you have significantly stronger structures because you can print a geometry you can't build by hand that can distribute weight much better and then also ensure better accessibility of wiring and piping and these things without uh the usual tricks and techniques that people use for construction so it is a passion of mine and i'm quite interested in it and at some point my brother and i probably start a company on it we're going to do a real estate fund first in wyoming and we'll kind of grow it to a point where we have our own construction company and then we do 3d printing and i'd love to go to like all throughout ethiopia and other places and just 3d print houses and do that quickly it'd be a lot of fun yes i did did you manage to kill tristuard in baldur's gate and obtain his cemetars you not only get his two semitars a plus five and a plus three one but you get his mithril armor as well uh which is the best armor in the original game the only way you can really kill him is by a kind of a trick with all the knolls attacking him and you kind of get your character slightly off camera and he gets stuck because he's trying to walk so he keeps getting hit and you just leave the computer on for two or three hours and then he uh he dies and then you can pick up his equipment and um i don't remember if it was the first or the second game where when you kill him uh all caster shows up and takes the stuff from you i think it's the second game because you actually have an opportunity to kill him and you're at a level where you can defeat him but i certainly did do that that's a lot of fun you also can just give yourself his stuff using the console they went all out on baldur's gate because it was the first forgotten realms game in a long time uh and so they included elminster and dress stewart and a lot of the other usual suspects wolo was also in that game as well ed had a lot of fun with it the gnome which gnome there were two gnomes in that game there was tx which was just a really incredible character the crease of cyric and then there was some one other gnome and i can't remember his name duncan has said assets and cardona must pay fees and ada not the native asset that's a very sensible thing to do so basically what you do is you build an infrastructure where you can pay fees with the native asset but by default all of them pay in ada and then what you do is you use the governance system to give the community the ability to elevate a particular native token to pay its fees and the native token and the state poll operators then take that uh so i think it's the most reasonable way of doing things because you have kind of base level but if a chain link for example came to us that's part of the negotiation the ecosystem could have so uh otherwise you kind of run a situation where all these assets can be basically junk and spam the system and you have no external measure of asset value the system doesn't know that bobcoin and link have different price tags you need an oracle to inject that information into the system an automation of that is a vector of attack so a governance layer to elevate an asset from data fees to native fees makes sense because then some external actor is making that decision and then you know you can either have it as a temporary decision and you renew it on a regular basis or a permanent decision based on scale hmm because of securities loss super easy to do but almost certainly it makes the asset of security if you get passive income for doing nothing that's a problem you know contrast it with staking it's an active process and how many people have lost money because they they couldn't configure their cash properly or they delegated to the wrong pool or something like that there's a lot of work that goes into staking you're actually doing something uh securities just they just give you passive revenue you own it and so you get paid for it so that's one of the reasons why we see a lack of innovation there and it's a shame because there's so much cool stuff that can be done with intellectual property with a blockchain and much easier to do uh distributions there but that's reason why security tokens exist because it's going to bring those missing elements back into the cryptocurrency space this is an interesting question is it possible that i hk's market analysis can cause the delay in gogan announcement due to the possible arona speculation because if it's already done no we don't look at the markets for timing of releases as all when it's ready it's ready and my goal is to get it out as quickly as possible because i want to start building things the markets do what the markets do and it's not our job to control or influence them all we do is we just try to build a great product and get that product out there and let's be clear here markets are not rational at all you have coins that are copies of a copy that are in the top 10 you have coins that are marvels of science like ergo for example or algorand that aren't even in the top 25 so it makes no sense to me based on just strictly a technological basis why the markets do what they do there's also a lot of exchange manipulation and wash trading and all these other things and so if you chase price you can achieve it on the short term but you'll probably end up in jail and you're also just going to burn your ecosystem down the only surefire way to be around on 10 years or 20 years or 30 years is to provide real use and utility and have a real growth model and preserve your community and take them along with you and continue to grow and expand it and have the cryptocurrency truly achieve um a prominence like bitcoin has for example uh and what we have achieved already with cardano in a certain respect but release date should never be tethered to that you should run as fast as you can if if someone's thinking that way with the way that they do things you're going to lose all your money so this is an interesting question what do you think about treasury finding a project with ada in return you get equity in the project so this is a problem in two dimensions one is a problem of governance auditing oversight and just that whole layer of stuff but then there's also a regulatory issue with this so the treasurer gives grants to people so they get it they have to go do something and hopefully it's a paired grant where there's an oversight entity that has some say in it but it's not a living thing it's there's no agency for the protocol at the moment eventually there will be legal agency for it and then once that occurs and you have security tokens you could open up the concept of uh that the treasury is going to buy equity as a startup in something and it goes into a trust and then that trust can then you know manage the policy accordance with some delegation or something like that so in other words it can become like a traditional vc it's not in that position it's more like the national science foundation uh or darpa or any of these other agencies and basically its job is to create high risk high return on intention grants to grow the ecosystem and extend the ecosystem it's a new concept but it's connected to an old idea in that respect to do equity transactions you have to have agency for the chain itself and ownership rights for chainsaw so there has to be regulatory awareness of that and actually it's an interesting concept to discuss with the state of wyoming and it may be possible to have a jurisdiction give agency to a cryptocurrency to the extent that it can own intellectual property and it can own equity in which case security tokens could actually be comfortably held by the chain itself so a surprisingly good question you guys are the best community huh i also attended cu boulder my kid is a cyber security with air force plants get his master's in computer science at sea i'm pushing towards a blockchain would you recommend a niche focus and tennessee you know my recommendation if he's going to get a master's computer science he's already done cyber security is just focused on the cyber security component it's not that hard to pick up the blockchain stuff and the cyber security stuff especially if he's in the air force which i'd wager he probably has a security clearance then he's one of the the sf-86 crowd he's going to be able to do very very good with that and then do all the usual suspects the cissp and these other certifications and there's plenty of veteran run in veteran friendly infotech shops that he can join and then if he wants to get in the blockchain space do auditing of blockchain companies and it's the greatest way of learning that stuff but it's a great school cs program is very solid good people there like professor black and others uh and uh he's gonna have a lot of fun it's very hard though he's they're gonna kick his ass but if he's a air force boy i think he'll be okay charles isn't it a bad sign that smart money are participating the crypto markets i don't know paul said is dozens of billionaire investors are and lots of hedge funds and venture capital funds and others are participating they just don't do it very publicly but a lot of people who we would consider to be smart money are in our industry that's one of the big differences between 2017 and 2020. we've seen a whole bunch of changes in that respect yeah this is a good question this is why we invented this concept of return on intention so basically you have to kind of look to the future and say what benefit are you providing and what are your kpis and then i really firmly believe in funding pairings where you don't just give money to one organization you give money to an auditing organization that holds them accountable for that so that's something interesting to talk about did you know that alex talks about you in the celsius videos i did not know i've met alex a few times last time i think was in switzerland in zurich at real world crypto and uh we've had nothing but cordial conversations and he's a very nice guy i hope he said positive things i don't know sometimes people say nice things sometimes they don't but we've never had a bad face-to-face conversation they've always been cordial another one of the people who ate too many paint chips so if somebody could remind mr david to martinez what's been going on with giveaway scams i think that uh he will be surprised to know that he's attacking the victim we live in a world where people they can't pay attention anymore they just don't know anymore and it just they can't sort fact from fiction deep fakes are gonna be what do you guys think about deep fakes and what they're gonna do to the world we're about five to ten years away uh from deep fakes getting to a point where most people will get fooled by them especially people over the age of 50. you know there's a great series of youtube videos from collider where they have a parody george lucas deep fake and he's mocking star wars trailers and these things and it is incredibly well done the body double doesn't quite match he's not fat enough but the face is really remarkable the collider defects are incredible and this is just like a comedy thing not even an attempt to actually weaponize deep fakes for defrauding defaming people so next five or ten years ai will evolve to the point where that's possible and then we will live in a post-truth economy where basically for whatever you believe there will be somebody who manufactures enough evidence that you can justify your beliefs so if you believe that 5g is causing coronavirus or will cause cancer and kill all of us there will be a well of truth to justify that belief if you believe that we didn't land on the moon there will be a well of truth for that if you believe the world is flat there'll be a well of truth for that so how do we as a society get along when every conspiracy's theory is now legitimized and we can even create video evidence for it hillary clinton sacrificing people in a pizza basement or something like that it's gonna be tough we're already running into it where these people have been plaguing my channels accusing me of hacking some rando over the internet and they couldn't spend five minutes digging into it and realizing giveaway scams are harmful to me and i basically a fraudulent act has occurred and youtube is the proprietor of this but they feel so strong and so passionate about it that they have to every time i make a video come and post something on my channel it's scary you can't spend five minutes objectively looking at reality but you can spend hours defending your perverse version of it with so much moral force and power that you think and feel you are right and will confirmation bias your way through it's an extraordinary society that we're moving into and it's only going to get worse trump is the beginning and believe me it's all downhill from here and we have to fundamentally change the way we do things or else it's going to lead to a really bad outcome for the human race pushing up against that fermi paradox and that's another great point jason youtube makes money off these videos imagine that the outrage when uh they find hate speech or whatever on the plow we must take down this this youtube guy deep platform him and then when they're making money off of criminal activity no no nothing nothing to be seen here they can be class-action lawsuited and so forth but still they let it persist on the platform it's truly amazing it's absolutely amazing but it just shows you the golden rule he who has the gold makes the rules is i would really love to go to south africa again it'd be a lot of fun in fact i was planning an africa tour in march and it got cancelled because of the rona oh i want that to go away i'm so done with corona okay you know gravel pit if this happens i think people would pay me to put my clothing back on it would be a you know big economic win for me all right what else we got going on here what happens if the treasury funding disappear without delivering the project on cardano well the same thing that happens when you have a failure with the vc system or any other issue like when you give a grant to an organization that doesn't deliver you don't get what you paid for nine nine out of ten businesses fail the vast majority of research grants are dead ends so it is an invitation for improving the system it's why you start small and systematically with many partners and you make sure there's audit pairings and you generate data along the way and people build reputation metrics the people who tend to deliver and have a track record are much more likely to continue delivering and the people who have no track record they're going to have to partner with people who do have that so it's a much a social dynamics and business theory problem as it is an accountability and governance problem and ultimately you have to have a feedback loop for that and that's what we're figuring out right now as a community fund two is the very first opportunity and then every fund thereafter is an opportunity and as long as we're moving in the right direction where more and more projects have a return on intention then we're doing the job correctly that's what we built prism for okay [Music] hmm when can we implement prism for stake pool operators we're actually thinking about rolling smash into prism and using dids as the identity domain so that's going to happen but we'll talk about that later it i don't want to front run that announcement goon claims a lot of things but actually avalanche is a very good project and a very good protocol and it's exciting to see it um be launched and what it's going to do in our industry kind of like al grand and we'll learn a lot and that community will certainly do some interesting things everybody talks their schtick what is cardano going to do so the state pools don't get hacked and so what we're planning on is a segregation of two things one we're going to basically have a cold and a hot environment the cold environment is going to live on hardware devices like ledgers and treasures and perhaps other things like sgx there you could do cold pledging and multi-sig and these other things like cold delegation and then the hot environment will run on the server like amazon or azure or rackspace or digital ocean and it's the operations side and that environment is permission to operate and make blocks and do cast rotation and all these other things but if it gets compromised then you can just simply rebuild that environment on a different server using the cold environment to give redo permissions there's a slight disruption of service but there's not a loss of funds in that respect and hopefully we can get it so precise that there won't be a loss of delegates people have delegated to that pool so this is what i was talking about about the long tail of shelley where we launched shelly in july but there are post-shilly things to do but partial delegation and improvements to the operating environment now who do we do these things with we work directly with the state pool operators on a regular basis and ask them questions in firms like vacuum labs who are actually doing the upgrades the ledger devices and trezor devices um no i have not met andrew yang i think we'd have a great conversation if we ever had a chance to meet each other can we call you hosk a lot of people do you can also call me 2 pencey it takes months for a cryptocurrency to actually consider a move because it's not as simple as just writing the uh code on uh gogen uh it's also a case of you have distribution questions optics you have to decide if you want to have a new distribution event if it's an air drop a proof of burn event a two-way peg between the old system and the new system and all those business and technical and legal and regulatory and other requirements have to be collected for a migration from one system to the other system so you can start now because it takes months to answer all those questions and prepare their community and the code is actually the easiest part yes they do yes they do i can see questions from facebook periscope and youtube all at the same time i told you guys i'd get good streaming software and you know we're actually probably gonna do like live screen drawing and stuff like that i'll just keep adding over time roll it all out it is awesome you know and eventually i'll bring guests on and all these other things hello from lafayette i love riga beautiful city absolutely beautiful city i love the old town always stay there that depends do i get to surprise him can i jump out like a new zealand pig hunter hello from argentina we have many good people in buenos aires the atix team for example we work with them very closely you gotta love philly home of the cheesesteak how can aw use in sports nba or soccer i don't think at all about the nba or the nfl or any of these other things i've completely given up on all of them but soccer is quite interesting i'm going to buy a soccer team at some point in africa they're not super expensive but i would love to use it as an experimental base for non-fungible tokens uh loyalty points and other such things and we'll uh explore that most likely uganda but there are plenty of great places to do that and i'll send up some sort of pan-african crypto soccer league the crypto football league learn by doing it would be really cool if somebody did this uh you know build a uh an airbnb for cardano that's exactly what the dc fund uh is four african soccer teams are really bad all the african like half of the players who won the world cup for france were from africa this is where they come from uh there's it's a great farm league for people so you know i think there can be some wonderful pan-african things that can be done and there's a huge amount of talent in africa uh for soccer it's just that the teams aren't well funded and uh the infrastructure is not there so a competitive leak that's crypto focused would be super fun to set up i'll get very passionate about it once i do it like my game company yes and then i can live stream all my games all the the games that they play and i just be like one of those soccer hooligans yeah i am not going to run the team you're you are 100 right and i appreciate the honesty uh what do you think of the brett weinstein unity 2020 that was andrew yang and admiral mcraven um it's like replicating the consoles of rome sorry brett terrible idea not gonna work this guy has so many plans with our money outside of cardona no i have plans with all that bitcoin money that i made you know the and also being running a for-profit company i make profit those are my plans you know these people would you just rather me retire tomorrow love the new overlay yeah me too now this is an interesting one right here ah are we going to tokenize a player contract that's exactly what i'd like to do so if we do a pan-african soccer league it would be super fun too and by the way all these things would be deployed on cardano it would be non-functional tokens fungible tokens security tokens advertising tokens all on cardano bringing millions of users in i mean look at fantasy football for god sakes and how big that is in the united states could you imagine that on cardano with prediction markets all the other things you could do thoughts on jordan peterson and his philosophies um jordan is compensating for the fact that there's been a war on objective reality and truth um this woke cult and these post-modernist philosophies that basically pushed the world into a position where there are legitimately many people who believe there's no notion of right wrong there's no objective truth everything's malleable from gender to sexuality and all these other things and everything's fluid and everything changes and marxism is great that's where it all goes because you know you end up getting into this we have to have a quality of outcome and the only entity powerful enough to do that would be a super government that basically replicates a modern-day marxist society so then you got a jordan peterson who comes in and talks especially to men in their 18 to 25 but there's other demographic because that's super popular in that group and says there is objective truth there is objective reality suck it up buttercup make your bed uh and there's a huge appetite for that right now and that's why he's so popular he's basically getting a message out that has been demonized dwarfed or censored in the mainstream academic thought and so uh there he's not the only one there are dozens of other people that do believe in objective reality and objective truth but he apparently is the most effective in a certain respect and by no means is he right on everything um or frankly there's reasonable debates about all things in fact um on lex friedman when sheldon solomon was on he gave a reasonable characterization of some of the issues that he has with jordan peterson i think that's a good interview to watch but it's good to have him in the conversation because it feels like you need a counterbalance and hopefully they can kind of merge together we can get something better we're creating new religions right now the world cult is a religion the singularity is a religion uh there's dozens of them that are contending to replace the old religions and jordan is an adherent to kind of like a a post-modern christianity in a certain respect all right well i already clicked it so i'll just answer it in your experience how easy is it to convince projects to move away from ethereum our company's pretty flexible a lot want to leave i have 90 potential deals that are in my commercial pipeline we literally cannot service all of them so we actually have to let a lot drop we're hiring like crazy i have 52 hires in my queue hr is not sleeping right now i am 32 years old charles you have any thoughts on the censorship of controversial joe rogan episodes now that he's on spotify it's going to continue it's going to continue and it's not going to stop uh it's only going to get worse too and then at some point he'll either have to acquiesce or he's going to um he's going to basically have to leave the platform the woke cult does not make compromises and when they've decided that you need to be fact checked and they've decided that you need to be censored or adhere to their orthodoxy there's no room for negotiation there's no like well okay we'll let you say it half the time but you can't say it on friday it's all or nothing and so if they don't get an editorial board there will be resignations and strikes and other problems in spotify and it'll get louder and louder and louder and then eventually there'll be lawsuits about hate speech especially in the european domain and then at some point it'll become irreconcilable either he's just going to have to acquiesce or he's going to have to leave this is the world we live in you are not allowed to have beliefs that run contrary to other people's beliefs and if you attempt to have them you will be de-platformed or they will attempt to de-platform you and uh it's not a universal system yet but it's a system of scale so once you reach a certain scale you endure this it's always going to be that way from here on out it's it's a it's a religion just like the conservative christians back in the day the focus on the family and these people they tried to censor dungeons and dragons saying it spread satanism and they tried to censor all kinds of of reasonable speech or fantasy uh because they said it's not compatible with family values and actually made some progress in that respect that's a religious act against freedom of thought and expression and this is a religious act against freedom of thought and expression just on the other side of the political aisle and joe rogan's right in the middle of it and he took 100 million dollars to be right in the middle of it and he just bought a 14.4 million dollar house in texas so daddy got to make the money yeah ben shapiro just left california born and raised there he left for harvard came back and now he's leaving for tennessee that is a really weird question i'm not i'm not going to answer that [Laughter] vampire uh let me see come on you know you heard that song very superstitious from stevie wonder it's a good song yeah i'd love to do a bookend ted talk when i retire that'd be a lot of fun i could talk about all the things that we did and i'd love to bermuda again that'd be pretty easy to do [Music] what are the chances of a uni unreal sdk for those who want to make games i actually will look into this in quarter one when we have more time on the commercial team i'd love to build a partnership with at least one game middleware uh to have a cryptocurrency option for uh this so and obviously cardano would be the back end so here's what i'm going to do i'm going to kind of think around it and we'll develop some form of a prototype and then what we'll do is propose and attach an independent team to it kind of like elon musk in the hyperloop and we'll see if the dc fund can actually fund that team and we can spin it out so that there's a path for independent and small-scale game developers to build on cardano a video game so i'm definitely thinking about this it would probably be a lot easier with godot or babylon js or any of these other open source projects unity unreal you know cryengine these things are a little bit big but it would be probably most likely on the unity side so we'll talk to them commercially and we'll see if there's any appetite for it i can't understand why they wouldn't go for it but it probably makes sense if we approach from a smaller position where we say well we've already integrated with godot for example i already answered that question pay attention hmm [Music] [Music] love prague it's one of my favorite cities over a thousand clock towers floating around good to see you vienna okay it's about time to shut it down so let's try to get one or two more questions in and we will have some fun with that charles what are your thoughts about dry fasting um it's not safe and don't do it uh water fasting is great and it's essential part of being healthy i should do it more it's very hard for me because i love food but every time i do it i feel very very very good dry fasting is just horrible for you and i know there's some people that seem to think it's good mostly nut jobs but there's just no evidence that that's a good thing to do water fasting is on the other hand quite strong quite a good thing to do no it's a belly there there are abdominal muscles underneath it but i assure you that uh i'm not lenny kravitz it's not uh it's not looking good but i'll get better i'll get better it'll happen and no one believes me when i say that another person's been eating paint chips it's a sad epidemic sad sad epidemic yeah it's called autophagy cell death and recreation your immune system starts rebuilding itself after a few days of wet fasting it's just good stuff do you oh this one's interesting i eat scorpions i'm not a big fan of crickets but silk worms and scorpions every time i go to asia i love scorpions delicious absolutely delicious [Music] martin uh that's the really dickish guy who ran the pharmaceutical company and jacked up the price and joked about it if that's that guy he's a piece of charles equals the michael jackson of the crypto space i don't know how to take that what where does that where does it come from i mean abc was a good song i like the jackson five um thriller was a good album am i black michael jackson or white michael jackson [Laughter] oh you guys what's a good book on mathematics i'm right now reading rational trigonometry from norman wildberger it's actually a pretty interesting read i've been reading a lot more about geometry and trigonometry because i've been getting into game engine design and this is like trig without cosine or sine or transcendental functions he hates infinity he's an ultra finitist like dorian zeilberger or any of these other guys so uh yeah yeah interesting book i'll let you guys know what i think there's dozens of good books though but actually if you're a beginner how to prove it actually how to solve it from george poya high school level great and then there's a danny valemon book called how to prove it which is the undergraduate mathematics both of those are great and then the art and craft of problem solving [Music] is another really good book it's from a professor out of ucfs university san francisco or something like that and that's a great book to get started as an undergraduate i mean if you go to specific topics like analysis you read rudin you know algebra you read lang and hungerford you know you read topology poinsett topology moncries you know um tarsky you know when you read set theory yeah there we go okay there's a canonical text for each each entry point to a domain how would you implement high-level mathematics in an rpg game by connecting it to the magic system so when you say you cast a spell instead of clicking a button you treat a spell like a recipe like an algorithm and they actually have to construct something to be able to cast the spell so you can write like spell scripts and then you can have a mathematical consistency like an algebra or something for how magic works and then basically people can by understanding mathematical theory they can discover new spells and spells become like proofs or something like that so that's how you would introduce that and i did read a book on that actually and i thought about it for a long time no uh my stack is just lions main and um a couple of different nootropics but uh i don't pick metformin i'm not at that level yet maybe at 40 i'll be there gravy baby flying cobras i used to is they could they absolutely could and actually um you could trade and sell those recipes and you can prove that they work with zero knowledge proofs and you can make spells non-fungible and trade them between people yeah now we have a crypto component huh look at that right now i'm reading wednesday's indigo blue it's a book on synesthesia and it's actually a really interesting book i will let you guys know what i thought when i finish it um uh you know this is actually an interesting question if you were on death row what would be your last meal you know all of us have a last meal think about it every single person there's going to be a meal that you eat it's your last meal now more often than not if you die old it's probably not a very good one because you're in a hospice or a hospital or something like that and every now and then you're leaving a five-star restaurant and then you get a car accident die but it's a question we should all ask ourselves if we have the foresight or ability to pick our last meal what would it be and i don't know but you know what i will think about it bob and we will get back to you there's a lovely book from ernest becker called the denial of death and uh ernest believes that the majority of human behavior is connected to our fear of death so his whole uh philosophy kind of hinges on four interlocking threads so the first one is the world is terrifying it's like everything in the world is trying to kill you the viruses are trying to kill you like tigers kill you everything around you either you're killing something or it's trying to kill you and we're subconsciously aware of that and so the second strand is that that awareness causes us enormous amounts of mental harm because we suffer from the indignity of consciousness and so the third strand is that we construct immortality cults uh to protect ourselves from this harm either by this concept that we can live beyond our death through the afterlife or through deeds or society or governance and then the fourth strand is that these immortality cults compete with each other and go to war with each other and as a consequence that's the primary cause of most human suffering in an advanced society stoicism is an ancient recognition of becker's philosophy of this acceptance of death it's the same for the code of bushido where you don't let the fact that you're going to die bother you and you use the fact that that bookend exists to give your life meaning and live your life a certain way so bob's question actually has very deep philosophical underpinnings to it because you're basically admitting that there is an end and then you're thinking about well what does that end look like and it's a question that we all should ask ourselves and it will give your life a lot more context and really help you along if you can find a way to answer it um so i think that actually people are and this is actually an exhibition of why uh people behave the way that they do there's a difference between being consciously existentially terrified versus subconsciously existentially terrified so if you come from like the young school or the freud school or you know you believe in these id things uh then this is a natural implication of that because you say oh okay well we all are going to die and yeah i don't want to think about that so i'm going to go play this video game or i'm going to go take these drugs or i'm going to go drink or i'm going to go have sex or i'm going to go do x y you're distracting yourself from an end a and if you say no no i that's not my primary reason why i'm distracting myself well you distract yourself because you lack existential meaning but so then you go look for that that's like logo therapy man search for meaning victor frankl and you say okay well then you find a meeting what's the meaning it's about extending yourself beyond the end either through spirituality and some sort of religious awakening or through legacy be still running that same inevitability that you know your life is bookended and existentially you're trying to deal with the terror of that end that comes it's the price of consciousness consciousness permits us the capacity to do all these incredible things and give objectives to our intelligence and extend ourselves to the next generation but it also gives us an awareness that we are finite and we come to an end the great human challenge yes this is a good question i'll uh answer that next one i watch a lot of thomas soul interviews but i haven't had the pleasure of getting deep into his books thomas soul is one of my favorite academics he's a really brilliant guy all right kids yes i enjoy my life and every day is a good day gotta smile gotta love life you gotta love yourself gotta be comfortable in your own skin that's a good way to end it you know if you're looking for problems you're always gonna find problems always if you're looking to be cynical and believe in the worst in people you will always find something to get upset about outraged about or depressed about this world has horror in it more than any other you could invent yourself but this world also has a lot of good in it a lot of beauty in it some of the best moments of my life have been just sitting out on my porch over there with a cup of coffee and watching a butterfly fly by and land on a flower and just think about how incredible and magical and rare a moment like that truly is especially in the universe as a whole and the fact that i get to experience that is pretty special it doesn't have to be sophisticated and you can spend your entire life looking for beauty and finding it you can spend your entire life hoping and looking for the best in people and not being let down because there's a lot of examples of people who really did do great things so it's a choice that you'll have to make and it's a choice to be an optimist instead of a cynic and a pessimist every single cynic always says i'm a cynic because i'm realistic and i think that's the greatest self-deception you can ever tell yourself there is no notion of realism and cynicism because all the things around you are not immutable society changes governance changes the skyscrapers you see weren't there before and there will come a time when perhaps they get torn down the older you get the more you realize about the ephemeral impermanence of things so why be so cynical and believe society is the way it is and it can't be changed be optimistic and ask well what small part of it can i change and what can i enjoy that is still beautiful and if you can find a way to do that then you will always be happy one way or another thanks for thanks for listening everybody i'll see you next time have a wonderful day