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hey charles hoskinson do you like coding yes when the problems are worth coding is tesla overvalued yes hydra whiteboard video coming this year some part of hydra will come this year we're moving and i'm going to accelerate and put my foot on the accelerator for it uh we've been uh working hard on it but now we have uh the head protocol the head tail protocol the tail protocol and the routing protocol there are four papers that need to be done plus prototypes we will get that done one way or another i'm very vicious about that do i drive a lamborghini yes i do it's one of my many cars i have a lamborghini huracan 2017 lp 610 spider and it was courtesy of some consulting work threw it in for sweetening the deal it's crazy people pay me for consulting i never thought i'd be a consultant doing pretty good if you get a free lambo with it is the central clock a point of failure we do not have a central clock you're referring to chief co-crypto's stupid propaganda there is no point of failure it's not an issue at all it's never been an issue if it was ever going to be an issue we have a paper that solves that issue and one of these days we'll implement it not because we think it's an issue but we think it would be nice to compete with an ntp do not listen to youtubers who pretend to be cryptographers mark if it was an issue an ntp was an issue the entire internet would have problems your computers would have problems your ssl certificates would have problems everything would have problems what do you think of hedera hashgraph i would take them seriously and then read their white papers read their code if they weren't laden with patents i have a policy if you patent your work and there is an owner of your code i will pretend like you don't exist i don't care if you can cure cancer give me a [ __ ] and take 10 years off my age don't care if you're patented not going to talk to you in terms of code it's uh it's just crazy so maybe they have something good maybe they don't i've never once read a single line of code i've never read their white paper i know nothing about the project other than the fact that there is an owner and you can give all this [ __ ] about how it's necessary for defensive reasons it wasn't for bitcoin it wasn't for ethereum it's not for polka dot it's not for cardano it's not for any of the other cryptocurrencies but apparently they know best don't use garbage it was a sixty thousand dollar hat came with a free tractor though farmer joke do you personally know dr jordan peterson i have not had the opportunity to meet him and i know he's been having some health problems unfortunately but it seems like he's starting to recover and get a little bit better but i'd love meet him and i'd love to spend some time with him and certainly talk to him he's a great guy his work is phenomenal for many people gives a meaning purpose in life and that is one of the highest pursuits in philosophy what's your car collection i have trucks cadillac's and that weirdo european lamborghini so i can take all the trucks all the cadillac's the same dealership to get them serviced lamborghini has to be towed to a dealership down in denver and it costs crazy amounts of money for oil change my cadillac ct6 it's 35 for an oil change the lamborghini it's like on a good day eleven hundred dollars that day more so uh tells you something about a sucker being born every minute and by the way it's the worst time to buy a supercar um and they're upgrading all of them like the sea online is coming and the new ferraris are coming and mclarens are coming and they're all going to be battery powered and what's good about that is they're going to be twice as fast so we should see zero to 60s and 1.8 seconds for these things the huracan is 0-6-3 so it's just going to be crazy what they do with these cars no tesla no i don't like the interiors and there is a cadillac that's coming out it's going to be battery powered and it looks really cool celeste or something like that and i'll take a look at that i'm a cadillac guy like american cars american cadillacs and the quality control tesla because they make so many is and they make them so quickly and there's drifts in the staff is quite significant some people have the best car ever other people it's like big gaps with the door your stream quality got much worse internet uh upgrade in the future i can't do anything i'm out here on the farm i'm right now trying to work out a deal with a series of farmers the broadcast fiber optic internet from uh longmont to this place was directed long-range wi-fi like literally we have to build 150 foot tower but next light not here comcast not here this is a 4g connection that i'm talking to you guys on move to the city bro 30 minutes from the airport 20 minutes outside of boulder 35 minutes outside of denver i can be at an international airport that has a direct flight to tokyo a direct flight to frankfurt in 30 minutes and i live on 50 beautiful acres wonderful mountain view if i don't want to see my neighbors i don't see my neighbors if i want to see my neighbors i see them super quiet laid back grow my own hay have raised bed gardens you can't do that in the city it's not possible and despite the fact that i have all the land i'm close to everything so it's like being in the city you take sacrifices however one of them is bad internet but we will fix that one day so get starlink well when it's available i'll get it [Music] if vitalik was a fruit what kind of fruit would he be a durian charles how's yellow coming along very well actually we kicked them in the butt they have a huge list of [ __ ] to do and they're working hard on it and we keep whipping them but they're following a long road map yellow will be production ready probably in the june time frame do you think artificial intelligence will replace programmers uh did it replace photographers no i think it's going to augment them hmm are you jewish no baptized catholic quarter norwegian quarter italian i am not jewish no jewish blood a lot of people seem to think i am though which is a funny thing played chess studied math made a lot of money you know so they'll take me yeah it's like um about 10 years ago uh or maybe even longer on the dave chappelle show they had the uh the racial draft and each race got the draft people who were mixed race or close to them to see if they're going to fit one buck or the other so the blacks drafted tiger woods and the chinese they took wu-tang clan so uh so yeah i think that the jewish lobby may draft me one day there's been offers if you do a phd in computer science what field would you focus on well i went back actually did that i did computational logic and i'd be in the intersection of mechanization of mathematics and i actually i'd be really keen to also do something with artificial intelligence there because i think that once you've mechanized math you've actually written mathematics in a machine understandable language i think the best foundation perhaps could be homotopy type theory you could then take all the known patterns and all the known proofs for a field like algorithmic number theory or you know and stuff like that and then you could just apply ml and create a conjecture engine and that engine would allow you then to propose new interesting problems or perhaps find solutions to older problems so i think there's a renaissance and automated theorem proving and that that's what i would do that's where i would focus and we're going to do it in my company we're going to start up the q adidas project again and i'm going to rename it hilbert in honor of david hilper and the currency will be uh noether after emmy no ether spelled no ether but we'll bootstrap that and whenever i finally retired have the time that i go finish off the phd [Music] [Music] pump uh what's your favorite comedian you should probably be saying who is your favorite comedian uh dave chappelle uh his early work was extraordinary outside of dave chappelle there's there's a few i liked carlin and george carlin was also another one i really enjoyed favorite fiction writer and favorite filmmaker um our arthur c clarke and philip k dick great writers absolutely great writers and they kind of knew the future and they kind of planned out where the 20th century and 21st century were going to go favorite filmmaker alive is danny valeneu who's doing dune he did my favorite current movie blade runner 2049 of all time stanley kubrick if you could find a way to take stanley and put him together with danny and have danny and stanley like a coen brothers movie great but i also love the coen brothers as well and my favorite non-sci-fi movie is the big lebowski that's like my opinion man [Music] is 5g dangerous no the people pushing rumors that it is are did you play any sports yes when i was a kid i did judo in hawaii and i was tough because all the kids in hawaii are big they're like those tongan samoan polynesian kids and yeah try try you know being on a mat with them that was fun keto it up soon [Music] do you think kamala harris will take over as president if so when i think there's a non-zero possibility i think there's a greater than 50 percent chance that sometime during biden's term uh he'll step down and harris will step in probably not this year but maybe 2022 or 2023. is your father a mathematician no my father's a doctor and his father was a doctor so did you stay in touch with ron paul i'd like to see you interview him he certainly does intersect with our space quite often and one of these days i'll probably try to drag him on he's 85 now and he's having a tough time after the stroke but i think he's doing good i think he's doing and pump good how did you become such a babe magnet it's called being a billionaire it's not hard [Laughter] i kid i kid thoughts on optimistic rollups they're going to be a big deal in 24 months big deal you know this interesting one gulfstream 700 the g650 was for its time just incredible so then you start thinking like when you get to that price range it's not much more to do boeing business jet and if you're going to do boeing business jet you can put a full-size bedroom with a king-sized bed a shower and a closet in addition to all the other amenities so you know shouldn't you just go for the 737 or the airbus equivalent if you're not liking boeing these days i don't know well then you're a damn good engineer if you're an engineer for the g650 it's a phenomenal private jet you know the body is incredible uh great avionics great engines everything about that plane is just incredible i've only flown on one of them and i have to tell you it was a great experience and i like the cabin is pressurized to like a reasonable altitude as well and moisturized air it's those little touches to detail that are nice would you ever like to be on the joe brogan experience rogan after gogan son rogan after gogan milk or eggs i have chickens but not cows i eat my own eggs farm fresh eggs every day do you watch any adult cartoons arch yourself park family guy yes talk about ramanujan he was actually one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century had the potential uh like ernesto gawa for example had to be one of the greatest mathematicians uh or abel of the uh 20 uh of the 20th century uh he just died too young g.h hardy discovered him brought him to england uh he wasn't able to eat a proper diet and he was taken from a very isolated environment to a completely different culture and much more human contact that was in different diseases different circumstances and it killed them it would have been much much much better i had hardy gone to india and spent time with ramanujan ramanajana said ramanujan going to london uh so um that said the intuition was just remarkable you just come up with stuff and you're like where did this come from it came to be in a dream so there's just some people are like that off the charts brilliant what do you like about ergo people who built ergo uh they uh used to work for me and i like them they're good people and it's a good project it has a right to exist do you enjoy the lagrange multipliers i enjoy all of lagrange's theorems the ones in number theory the ones that algebra and every other one of them do you think the psychedelics industry and companies like mind men will do well long term why do you think i'm growing my own mushrooms guys you know it's like learning how to grow hemp eventually they legalize everything and then you can pivot production doing lions made and all these other things very easy to go over to philosophy i think within 10 to 20 years psychedelic mushrooms will be legalized universally across the entire united states and i would love to participate once that happens in producing them because they have incredible outcomes for people with depression ptsd and when it's used with a therapeutic aim and i think that it would be a miracle for mankind depression is a terrible ailment and many of you suffer from it people very close to me have it and it's just sad because everything in your life could be going just incredibly well everybody loves you you're supported but then it feels as if nothing is right and there's nothing you can do and they tell you to take an ssri or something like that and it doesn't really help for most people it just blunts it a bit and if we have alternative treatments which are more effective or complementary we have a moral obligation for the tens of millions of people in the united states who suffer from that to pursue them so i think philosophy is a great great avenue in that respect and johns hopkins agrees ah as an example i need help with depression i'm in treatment nothing works that's the story of millions of people and we underestimate how devastating this can be and it's not just well you know suck it up grow out of it it's horrific and it's affected people like president richard nixon for example and president george h.w bush for example and at the time when they got it they weren't even allowed to talk about it for fear of how people would perceive them so it's a dually bad disease when you see someone with a gunshot wound or a broken leg you see that person's hurt they're wounded we should help them and you don't question the fact that maybe it's a little harder for them to get to the door or get to work or do a job because you know they're injured and you treat them accordingly but then people have no tolerance or patience for those who are depressed often times and they treat them just like it's sadness or a phase or get out of it and get back to work but in many cases that can be worse than a gunshot wound or a broken arm and it's more hopeless because at least with the broken arm or the gunshot wound you know it's going to heal and you have a rough idea of how long that takes from prior experience with depression it could last years and it destroys the relationships around you is that a clint eastwood cape it is a clint eastwood poncho one of my favorite movies actually series of movies fistful of dollars good bad and ugly all the spaghetti westerns what is your favorite video game so some of you know i own a video game company yet to be named i'm right now just acquiring video game ips so i bought legends valor that's the public one and we'll keep scaling that i would say that probably the best overall video every category meaning you look at the totality of everything is arcanum uh it was the last of the an era of games that started with games like fallout and the magic of arcanum was that it was something entirely new it was a steampunk world with magic they were opposing each other there was deep philosophy there was incredible world building there was just really rich and engaging dialogue like planescape torment level dialogue combined with a replayability that is incredible and there's just so many different endings it is literally the only game i've ever played where you can talk the end villain out of being evil and kill himself um kurgan uh wow and it just it was just great and one of my life goals is after i'm done with legends of valor and all these other things i would love to remake arcanum do an enhanced edition for it and then make a sequel troika was actually going to make a sequel journey to the center of arcanum but they ran out of money so that would be great but i think it's the greatest game ever made um for at least for me and just there's so much more that could have been done with it but they were limited by budget and the technology of the time but by no means uh was it uh was it a bad game and it was actually just wow 20 plus years later and it's still just as good today as it was back then that's a rare thing troika did a great vampire bloodlines game too yeah yeah they did they were great studio for their time how do i get my wife to stop being mean to me i read gottman's relationship here and talk to her about it who's the smartest person in crypto you know uh probably sylvia mccauley you know he's certainly the most impactful in terms of the crypto he's done dan bonnet is also you know rolling intelligence very solid my wife left me before the bully ra a bull run lucky me you know they say that crypto can be life changing uh lately trip crypto is wife changing that's another joke that's been floating around twitter what area in science are you most efficient probably astronomy but i am going to go to space in 2025 and i'll learn a huge amount by then then it'll be geology who is your favorite physicist richard feynman [Music] tim berners-lee is working on a new internet any thoughts we invited tim vernersley to come to the shelly summit uh vince cerf showed up but tim didn't and i'm kind of sad about that one of these days i'll talk to him about it but you know every time we send him an email he never replies back you know come on tim work with us i like you do you have a solar roof no i live on 50 acres which means i have proper solar i've installed 250 kilowatts of solar capacity you're going for a meal alive or dead who's sitting at the table choose four i will answer that question next time when i have a chance to think about it you ever walk all 50 acres guys it's 50 acres not 5 000. of course it's do it in about an hour or less you should make more balance league of legends xerath forever how about kassadin guys like kassadin nothing is more depressing in life than mitting against the casa and with this 12 year old korean kid who like plays 900 hours a week and just watching him kill you over and over and over and over and over again and then ship host in korean and you're just like it brings sadness to your soul at levels that are indescribable how does your company make money like all software companies people pay us for services and they pay us for products kind of that simple not super complicated charles what's with the mark stopka or whatever guy hating you on twitter i guess i was mean to him at some point i heard his ego and now he hates me and says things from time to time and he has variability some days he threatens to sue us or at least sick lawyers on us and other days he asks for money from uh catalyst reality is cardinal is a big ecosystem and there's going to be plenty of people in it who think i'm a horrible human being or incompetent or incapable or they can do a far better job you have to admit these people if you're serious about being decentralized and serious about it being an open ecosystem so mark has as much right to be here as i do or anyone else uh and his success or failure will be completely connected to his ability to navigate the social dynamics of the system so there's a difference between the right to be someplace and the right for that place to respect fund and collaborate with you okay one is earned through interactions the other one is given through the nature of the system so mark's always here some days he's here somebody's not here and he's free to do whatever he wants and uh i really wish him well and i hope that he finds a way to build a clique of people that he can work with effectively and innovate and do interesting things because any day that he does interesting things with the cardano stack what that actually means is cardano is stronger and the fact that we don't see eye to eye there's no relationship there it means that that's totally independent of the things that i do as it should be and we'll see much more of that in the future as cardinal grows in five or ten years it's entirely possible that many who are currently in the top ten with competing projects will start building things in cardano and continue to heavily criticize me despite the fact that they're deploying infrastructure in cardano as gavin wood is doing in ethereum despite the fact that he has grievances with uh italic and that's how it should be i mean it's open ecosystem everybody has equal right to it how many people do you employ your company i think we're up to around 300 give or take i stopped counting a little while ago charles do you ever feel like a plastic bag floating in the wind wanting to start again god damn man that's an american beauty reference is kevin spacey gonna murder me how do you deal with and prevent burning out very important question it's a combination of meditation isolation tanks exercise and making sure to have a good cheery demeanor smile who's the hottest woman in the world that's a very subjective one i would say gal gadot charles hoskinson do you meditate every day yes sir i do easiest way of getting started is download the call map tell you something profound the higher the lower actually a good zen cone is the slow way is the fast way it's one of the truest things i've ever seen ever heard the what at the calm calm like calm relaxed calm c-a-l-m who is the hottest man in the world that one's tough that is tough michael fassbender i like that guy did i get my hyperbaric chamber up and running yet no it's going in the other house not this one margot robbie is greater than gal gadot well yeah after watching the wolf of wall street right i'm a little biased though i had an an ex-girlfriend of mine was israeli and she looked just like her what watch are you wearing this is a samsung galaxy watch it's nothing special got it for like a hundred bucks um this who is a smarter programmer you or andre andre charles tell us another joke like the chicken one okay i'll tell you guys another joke so in the soviet union uh it took a real it takes a really long time to get a car uh so you know america you go out and buy a car so you have to kind of be assigned you have to save for a long time and so forth so anyway this one guy he wheels and deals and does everything he needs to do he knows the neighborhood butcher and takes care of him who takes care of him and like all that stuff so he spent 10 years getting ready to finally be able to go and get his uh his government-issued car so he fills out all the paperwork and of course it's soviet union so like hundreds of pages of paperwork lots of bureaucracy he waits the requisite six months to have a meeting with the uh with the guy who issues them and he sits down with them and they go through all the paperwork together he said okay all your paperwork is here everything is in order uh we'll go ahead and create your car and ship it to you in 10 years and he said okay is that going to be uh tuesday and he said let me take a look at the calendar yeah i guess so and he says well is it going to be in the morning or at night he says it's 10 years from now why the hell do you care he said well that particular day the plumber is coming in the morning and i just want to make sure i don't miss him so uh so it's morning or night it's an old soviet joke reagan's told that one too i stole a lot of jokes from reagan do you have any uh other waterhouse paintings no that's the only waterhouse although i'm going to get a very after the cadaverous and odd i'm going to get uh one representing that that joke kills in russia yeah i imagine that joke was probably a lot funnier in russian i am a tibetan love the tibetan mass behind you thank you finally somebody recognizes where they're from i have been to tibet what do you think of bob lazar do you believe him about the ufos i mean he seems to really believe what he's saying whether it's true or not who knows but he's convinced himself how do you define love love is the desire to be around a person every single day and have them be part of your life and have them be part of your existence sometimes a big part sometimes a small part but just be part and when they're not there you miss them where's the new house located somewhere over the rainbow it's a gay bar next to 90th and wash in uh federal i ever opened up a gay bar that would be the name of it i have a big unicorn ethereum logo on it i kid i kid i kid people take things too seriously in life you know you have to relax you have to enjoy things you know humor is the best way for people to relate and understand each other actually let's do something cool let's see if we can pull this off [Music] yeah let me clear the canvas okay guys we're gonna do something a little crazy we are gonna go to screen sharing okay we're gonna go for the whole screen and uh somebody asked do i like vedic math and i'm going to show you guys something really cool all right if everybody can see my screen let's say you want to multiply 23 by 13. okay so we're going to show you guys a nifty little trick and this is kind of like what vatic math does so you start with the two and you draw two lines like this then you do the three you draw three lines like this and do the one you draw a line like that and the three you draw a line like that okay and then you count your points of intersection so there's one two one two three four five six seven eight nine you count everything in the middle one two three four five six seven eight nine so your answer is two ninety nine that's vedic math how about that you know what this means it means every kilt in scotland has a numerical value how about that it actually is a way of counting the base 10 representation so you can decompose a number into its bases so the far left is counting the coefficient on the 100th place the middle is counting on the 10th and the end is counting on the zeroth damn being asian i actually knew this yes the indians came up with it and then they gave it to china and then china was a big empire so they gave it to the rest of the world the rest of asia korea japan and so forth i'll show you guys some math from time to time cool little math tricks no but i'm planning on getting a mantis shrimp and teaching the mantis shrimp how to do it okay and we're just about coming in but i'm gonna show you guys something really really really cool okay let's see here this comes from albert let me open up my messages to him albert there we go ah yes and albert is a very very special friend albert von galen he's a dutch painter i just wanted to make sure i got his name right and he sent this to me i finally had a chance to open it up and so uh albert painted something of me it took him several weeks to do it and this is pretty crazy how about that you know i get gifts from people all over the world and this is perhaps one of the most meaningful because it took him so incredibly long to do it it's an oil painting and he meticulously tried to capture as much of the raw sexiness of charles hoskinson as he could and then he had the desire to mail it to me and so he said hey uh you pick your own price for it i i painted it and send whatever you like to me so as many of you know i am going to set up a state pool i've been a little delayed since i've been so busy with all the shelley related stuff but we've through that so the charles steak pool i'm going to take the first three months of revenue that i make and i'm splitting some of it with somebody at iohk who's doing it with me so my share of it i'll give that to you uh albert i don't know how much it's going to be and i don't know how much that it is going to be worth but uh it's yours so just send me an address over twitter through a private message you know where to find me and when the pool is set up i'll send it to you for three months but thank you so much for doing that i got to get it framed and i have to put it somewhere and the problem is it's it's like fan art but if i put it somewhere people will think i'm really arrogant and narcissistic and so forth and you know that kind of floats around so i'm trying to figure out how to deal with that right i'm not a big self-portrait fan but it's uh incredibly well done great attention to detail and uh albert thank you for the support thank you for the gift you know i get so many gifts from people all around the world um literally all around the world i've gotten bird feathers from papua new guinea i've gotten uh a piece of rock from it's a volcanic glass from antarctica from a researcher there it's really incredible to see what people said but the most meaningful ones are the ones that people put a lot of effort and and skill into and you can tell it comes from a place of love and care and i think that's a great way to end the ama you know um you're all part of a family here in the cardano community uh we all work together we all have common hopes and dreams and we're all in this together and it's a source of unending strength there are so many hard days and there's so much criticism and when i see you know something like that it just changes everything it makes everybody so happy so uh albert thank you so much for it let's hope that uh the stake pool does a lot for you and um thanks for being part of a great family all right everybody this was a fun one i really enjoyed it you have a wonderful night and i'll talk to you guys soon cheers